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XRT30 Review

Victor

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OK, Jerry has been asking me to post a full review of my XRT30 speaker system for a while so here you go. :)

System setup:
Sources are MS300 and MVP851 used as digital inputs to MDA1000. MDA1000 XLR output to 2 MC501s powering the mid/high columns. MDA1000 RCA output to MQ109B to MC162 (still saving for 2 more MC501s) powering bass cabinets. The room is 10'x16', open at the left side of the front wall to a hallway and open at the left side from the middle to the back wall to a kitchen area. The speaker columns are 5 1/2' from the front wall and less than a foot from the side walls. The bass cabinets are behind and inboard of the columns, with the back of the bass cabinets 3' from the front wall and 1' from the side walls. The speaker toe in is set to cross at a point about 4' behind the listener (this is the speaker positions after I did the setup). The chair is positioned center with the listeners ears 18" from the rear wall.

Measurements
I finally got out my Sencore SP295C SoundPro Audio Analyser to do a final setup on the speakers and here are the measurements.

The first measurement I did was speaker distortion. A great in room distortion measurement would be 1% or lower. The XRT30s measured 1%-2.5% at different frequency ranges. This is not great but not terrible. These XRT30s are older than I thought, they are serial numbers UE3013 & UE3014. This would make them the 7th XRT30 speaker system made so they are 5 years old. It is common for 5 year old speakers to have higher distortion measurements, from the speaker cone mounting screws loosening up and causing the speakers to vibrate. This is an easy fix, just tighten the screws. The problem is the column speaker cone mounting screws are hidden and I don't know how to get to them. I'm going to order a XRT30 service manual and take care of this later. If anyone knows how to take the XRT30 columns apart, let me know how.

The next measurement I did was frequency response. The overall response was nice and flat with 2 exceptions.

First exception there was a 9db dip at 80hz. This was odd because of all the speakers I measured in this room I never had a dip at 80hz before, so I don't think it is a room node. I moved the bass cabinets about a foot closer to the front wall and removed 4' of bass traps, which helped. I did not want the speakers closer to the front wall than they now are so I used the EQ to do the rest of the correction. My EQ settings are: 30hz +2db, 50hz +3db, 80hz + 9db, 150hz -12db, 300hz -12db and 600hz -12db. The last 3 -12db settings are because I don't think the bass cabinets have a crossover and there is significant sound energy from the bass cabinets up to 1000hz. The columns do a much better job reproducing sound from 80hz to 1000hz so I cut off the 150hz, 300hz and 600hz from the bass cabinets. This really tightens up the mid bass sound and eliminates bass bloat. After speaker moving and EQ the bass frequency response is now flat within 6db (which is about the best I have seen for in room response).

Second exception was at high frequencies: 16khz was -4db, 17,820hz -9db and 20khz -18db. I was able to improve this a little with some more toe in but the numbers did not change much. This high frequency roll off may explain why there is no listener fatigue with these speakers. I used to have Avalon Eclipse speakers which measured flat to 20khz. Comparing the XRT30s to the Avalons in high frequencies, I do not hear a perceived high frequency roll off. The Avalons did have a little more detail at the high frequencies but it came with harshness. With the XRT30s you loose just a little high end detail but you also loose all the harshness, I like the XRT30 high end much more.***Edit! See posts 16,17,22&24. The high frequencies are rolled off because of my room treatments, not because of the speakers. Edit!***

The last measurement I did was a Energy Time Graph. This is the amount of time it takes an impulse sound to die out in the room. Some of the best rooms I have measured were -12db at 60 ms. My room has 68 square feet of Auralex 2" Wedge Studio foam and 3 LENRD bass traps. I have gotten good measurements in my room in the past with other speakers so I was expecting a good measurement. The reading was not -12db until 150ms. This reading is not very good, the only explanation I can think of is that line array speakers don't measure well on this test. I have never measured any other line array speakers so I don't have anything to go by. A system/room that measures poor in this test will usually have poor imaging and separation but as you will read below this is not the case here.

Now the important part, listening tests
I'll start with imaging and stereo separation. These speakers have the best side to side imaging and separation I have ever heard. It is very easy to pinpoint instrument placement with the XRT30s. I was listening to Pink Floyd DSOTM with my eyes closed and I was getting so dizzy from the sounds I had to open my eyes. Its not just the major panning in this recording it is also the subtle panning like the high hat cymbal sound (ti tiss) on the song "On The Run", it starts out on the left side and it takes 3 minutes to pan to the right (I have listened to this song many times but I never noticed this pan). It is subtle panning like this that I have not heard in other speakers. The depth of imaging is also very good. On the song "Fever" by Valerie Joyce from The World's Greatest Audiophile Vocal Recordings on the Chesky label, there are some echoing finger snaps that make it sound like the front wall is pushed back 10 feet.

Next bass response. After getting out the setup equipment and adjusting the EQ. I find the bass very tight and detailed without the bloat that many speakers have. And now with the correct settings on the EQ there is even some impact. There is not the impact of B&W speakers but to me the XRT30s sound more natural.

Voices and midrange. The XRT30s really shine here. On Gets/Gilberto The Girl From Ipanema, the male and female voices and the sax are just beautiful. It does not sound like a recording, its like they are in the room with you.

High frequencies. Even though the XRT30s measured rolled off at the extreme high frequencies I don't notice anything missing. On Diana Krall's Stop This World from The Girl In The Other Room, the brushed snare drum and cymbals are full of an incredible amount of detail. The XRT30 speakers have the best high frequency I have heard in a system that did not give me listener fatigue. I have heard better, but with those systems I could only listen for a half hour before feeling discomfort in my ears.

Conclusions
In the beginning of this post you can see that these speakers were not the best I have measured. These speakers are for sure the best speakers I have ever owned and they are in the top group of the best speakers I have ever heard. This again just goes to show you that measurements are a good place to start but don't make any judgments until you have heard it for yourself.

In summary I would call the sound of the XRT30 natural in tone but audiophile in effects (great detail and imaging). For me this is the best of both worlds and exactly what I want.

I highly recommend the XRT30s. :thmbsp:

Victor
 
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Hi Vic,

Great review! I really enjoy reading this, especially about the settings you need to play with the MQ109b. For sure, I would be calling you more often IF the day comes when I own such a pair of speakers and your experienced would surely be the wealth I would want to tap to get the best performance from them.

Once again, Thanks!
 
Great writeup Victor. You've been quite thorough and seem to have made an exhaustive effort to get the most out of your gear. :smoke:

Murray
 
skippy_ps said:
Great writeup Victor. You've been quite thorough and seem to have made an exhaustive effort to get the most out of your gear. :smoke:

Murray
Thanks Murray.

I have never had enough money (more so in the past) to completely build the stereo I want (I'm pretty close now though). So since I was about 12 I have been modifying equipment and tweaking the room to try to get the most out of what I have. It only makes sense to me. :yes: Remember those hook rug art kits that were popular about 30 years ago? I used to ask for those for birthday presents so I could use them as room treatments on my bedroom walls.

Victor
 
Jerry Seh said:
Hi Vic,

Great review! I really enjoy reading this, especially about the settings you need to play with the MQ109b. For sure, I would be calling you more often IF the day comes when I own such a pair of speakers and your experienced would surely be the wealth I would want to tap to get the best performance from them.

Once again, Thanks!
If you get the XRT30s feel free to call, I will be happy to help in any way I can. :bigok:

Victor
 
Awesome review Victor.

I particularly enjoyed the combination of objective/analytical measurements and subjective/listening opinions - a guy after my own heart.

Thanks!:thmbsp: :thmbsp:

ForzaRoma
 
Nice review Victor! :thmbsp: so these replaced the Avalons? I am curious as to what other brands you may have had in that space also.
 
Thanks for taking the time to document all this. A first class job and it is great to hear that these are truly Victor pleasers! :)


Carl
 
CarlV said:
Thanks for taking the time to document all this. A first class job and it is great to hear that these are truly Victor pleasers! :)


Carl


Carl,

I've been wanting to ask, what song is your cat playing?

You Ain't Nothin but a Hound-Dog?
 
exracer said:
Nice review Victor! :thmbsp: so these replaced the Avalons? I am curious as to what other brands you may have had in that space also.
I started with KEF C95 speakers which I used from 1989 to 2004. I modified the internal wiring and crossovers on these. They served me well until I started this major upgrade path that started in 2003.

Next I got the Avalon Eclipse Classic speakers. At first I was overwhelmed with how good the Avalons sounded and the incredible detail that they had. But after 4 months I found I was listening to music less because the Avalons were harsh and gave me listener fatigue.

Next I bought the stereo shops demo McIntosh LS340 speakers. At first I was not impressed with the LS340s but I knew they would not give me listener fatigue and the price was right so I got them. The more I listened to the LS340s the more I liked them. In an AB test with other speakers the LS340s have less detail and high frequency energy so the other speakers sound better at first. But after living with the LS340s they just sound natural and the other speakers sound artificially extended. I had the LS340s for about 2 years.

On the ever elusive quest for perfection I decided to sell the LS340s and buy Quad ELS 988s. The Quads sounded FANTASTIC for small jazz combos or chamber music. But I could not get them to sound good in my room with more complex music, like The Who's Tommy or other classic rock. Also I did not like how the Quads sounded at low volumes (65db), the treble seemed to collapse. I only had the Quads for 3 weeks.

My dealer kindly let me trade the Quads even for McIntosh XLS360s. The XLS360s sounded pretty good with my MC162 amp but they were nothing special. Then I got MC501s and with the new amps the XLS360s really came alive. The XLS360s were great speakers but I only used them for about 3 months.

The reason I only used the XLS360 for 3 months was because the stereo shop owner was moving out of his house and he offered me a deal too good to pass up on the XRT30s. At first I was worried that the XRT30s would not work in my small room but as I said the deal was too good to pass up so I gave it a try, the rest is history.

Other speakers I have spent time with doing setups, or demos or at friends houses are: B&W 800D, 802D, 803D, 802, 804, 703, JM Labs Micro Utopias, Magnepan 1.6, 3.6, 20.1, Meadowlark Blue Heron, Martin Logan Summit, Vantage, Vista, Dynaudio Contour S5.4, S3.4, Confidence C4, Audience 82, 72, Legacy Focus, Verity Parsifal...

Victor
 
CarlV said:
Thanks for taking the time to document all this. A first class job and it is great to hear that these are truly Victor pleasers! :)


Carl
Yes I am most definitely pleased with the XRT30s. Now the question is can they pass the test of time. I had my KEF C95s for 15 years, if the XRT30s stay in my system longer than that I'll know for sure. :huge:

Victor
 
forzaroma said:
Awesome review Victor.

I particularly enjoyed the combination of objective/analytical measurements and subjective/listening opinions - a guy after my own heart.

Thanks!:thmbsp: :thmbsp:

ForzaRoma
Yes I like measurements also. But as I said don't let the numbers be your only guide, make sure and listen with an open mind. :music:

The best thing about the measurements in this case is: I have been tweaking the EQ settings for 2 months by ear. With the setup equipment I was able to make more improvements in 2 hours than the previous 2 months. I thought it sounded good and I almost did not go through the trouble to do a proper setup, but now I'm glad I did. :yes:

Victor
 
Victor said:
Yes I like measurements also. But as I said don't let the numbers be your only guide, make sure and listen with an open mind. :music:
Victor

That goes without saying.

And I'd like to add: don't trust your initial judgment (like with you and the Avalons). In many cases: great first impressions = long term fatigue = less music listening.

I was really surprised after buying my first high-endish rig built around a CD player some 20 years ago that, instead of listening to music more, I listened less and less - eventually using the system just for background music when we had guests.

In retrospective, it was a digital, highly-detailed, set-up that sounded great for 5 minutes ("Hey, check out how realistic that cow-bell and triangles are!") but was like sandpaper on your ears for more than that.

ForzaRoma
 
Victor, thanks for the detailed write up. I am curious as to why there would be such a steep roll-off with the XRT30 in the highs? I measured my Sonus Fabers a while ago, they have a silk dome tweeter and I didn't get anything near that dramatic in my measurements. The Sonus Fabers are extended in the highs but never harsh or fatiguing.

I also recall the XRT28 review and R.Greene mentioned using the EQ to roll off some of the treble to get the speaker in line with his preference for the highs. I was under the impression both the XRT28 and XRT30 had the same tweeters. :scratch2:

The harshness one hears often has to do with the construction of the tweeter but also the grain and hash of the amps as well as dirty AC. In your case, you are using the 501s, Shunyata, MIT and other components, most of them I am very familiar with. The tweeters are supposedly metal dome on the XRT30s. None of the components mentioned are known for grain or hash. The tweeters being metal dome would be the first component I would point my finger at for being responsible for ringing, break up and fatigue. There seems to be quite the opposite going on. I wonder if McIntosh rolled them off on purpose to avoid some of the pitfalls of metal dome tweeters that are not ultra-exotic or ultra-expensive. :scratch2:
 
PHC1 said:
Victor, thanks for the detailed write up. I am curious as to why there would be such a steep roll-off with the XRT30 in the highs?

I also recall the XRT28 review and R.Greene mentioned using the EQ to roll off some of the treble to get the speaker in line with his preference for the highs. I was under the impression both the XRT28 and XRT30 had the same tweeters.
I have been giving this some thought also. The steep roll off could be at least partly due to the 68 square feet of Auralex 2" Wedge Studio foam in my room. So I may be doing the same roll off with treatments that R. Green did with his EQ. Either way I like the sound and I don't think this roll off hurts the sound. I can still hear a 20khz test tone but it is soft. And yes the XRT28, XRT29 and XRT30 all use the same tweeters.


PHC1 said:
The harshness one hears often has to do with the construction of the tweeter but also the grain and hash of the amps as well as dirty AC. In your case, you are using the 501s, Shunyata, MIT and other components, most of them I am very familiar with. The tweeters are supposedly metal dome on the XRT30s. None of the components mentioned are known for grain or hash. The tweeters being metal dome would be the first component I would point my finger at for being responsible for ringing, break up and fatigue. There seems to be quite the opposite going on. I wonder if McIntosh rolled them off on purpose to avoid some of the pitfalls of metal dome tweeters that are not ultra-exotic or ultra-expensive. :scratch2:
The XRT30 tweeters are soft dome not metal. I have never been a fan of metal dome tweeters and I'm glad McIntosh still uses soft dome tweeters. :yes:

Victor
 
Out of curiosity I checked McIntosh website to learn more on these speakers, right next to the picture it lists Four 12 inch long throw woofers, but then under 'quick facts" it states two long throw woofers extending the response down to 16Hz, is it Four or Two? It would be difficult to get down to 16Hz with only 2-12" drivers.
 
vahe said:
Out of curiosity I checked McIntosh website to learn more on these speakers, right next to the picture it lists Four 12 inch long throw woofers, but then under 'quick facts" it states two long throw woofers extending the response down to 16Hz, is it Four or Two? It would be difficult to get down to 16Hz with only 2-12" drivers.


Two per side, total of Four. :thmbsp:
 
vahe said:
Out of curiosity I checked McIntosh website to learn more on these speakers, right next to the picture it lists Four 12 inch long throw woofers, but then under 'quick facts" it states two long throw woofers extending the response down to 16Hz, is it Four or Two? It would be difficult to get down to 16Hz with only 2-12" drivers.
Each XRT30 bass cabinet has 2-12" woofers in a sealed cabinet that weighs about 190 lbs. So there are 4-12" woofers total.

Victor
 
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