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Yamaha CR800 Preamp Circuit Question

paul5586

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Hello Everyone. I'm Jay from Seattle and I'm new to vintage audio, but I've falling quickly down the rabbit hole. I received a turn table recently as a gift which kickstarted my interest in vintage audio equipment. I am particularly fond of mid to late 70s Yamaha gear.

I'm currently recapping by 2nd Yamaha (first was a CR600, currently working on a CR800, and I have a CR820 lined up after this).

I'm learning as I go but it's a slow learning process. Recapping the CR600 went well until a minor hiccup when I installed the main drivers in the wrong locations resulting in having to purchase replacements. It's all back together and working now though.

The CR800 was also going well. I've recapped the preamp board and tested afterwards. I recapped the power board and tested afterwards. I replaced the two filter caps and tested afterwards. I just finished the main board, however, I've run into an issue. Strangely enough, the problem is not with the main amp board, but with the preamp board which was working fine previously. There is no signal leaving the preamp board despite my confirming that signal is coming in (verified with oscilloscope).

I believe the issue is in the power supply board. There is a yellow wire called +BT which runs from the power supply to the preamp. I believe this wire supplies power to the preamp since it's coming from the power supply circuit, but I'm not sure. What voltage should I be measuring here? I'm measuring a fraction of a volt which I don't think is correct.

I have some screen grabs of the relevant boards and circuit diagrams from the service manual. Unfortunately, the scans of the service manual I've found are not great and it's difficult to read a lot of the text. I appreciate any insight anybody might be able to provide. Thanks!
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Look at the emitter of TR802. In a legible schematic it has your voltage answer.
 
I'd disconnect the wire from the preamp board and see if the voltage is present. If so, some short in the preamp could be shunting it to ground. If no voltage, the problem is at the PS or wiring itself.
 
I'd disconnect the wire from the preamp board and see if the voltage is present. If so, some short in the preamp could be shunting it to ground. If no voltage, the problem is at the PS or wiring itself.
I should have thought of that... I will try this tonight. Thanks!
 
I should have thought of that... I will try this tonight. Thanks!
I just tried this and still only measured 0.1V with the +BT wire disconnected. With it connected, the voltage drops to ~.02V. I'm still not sure what I should be measuring here...
 
I had an electrolytic cap on the phono board short out, and take out a fusible resistor (FR--- on schematic) and thus power to the preamp, in a CR800.

Check all the fusible resistors for continuity, and if one is open, make sure you dont have a short somewhere.
 
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I don't know the amp - but any time I come across ANY amp that uses fusible resistors, I'll go through and check every one of them.

Fusibles are not the same as standard resistors, and they are notorious for ageing and going high, with no external sign of any problem - leading to no end of confusing results...
 
I will have to check the fusibles tonight. I noticed last night that more than just the +BT output was low. A lot of the power board has low to zero voltage.
 
I will have to check the fusibles tonight. I noticed last night that more than just the +BT output was low. A lot of the power board has low to zero voltage.
Use TP 6 on the main amplifier board for your ground reference ( E ). When probing your PS voltages.
 
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