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onepixel said:Yeah and both for $400.![]()
He better have given the 'New Kid' who graciously (or naively) tipped him off ONE HELL of a finder's fee!
onepixel said:Yeah and both for $400.![]()
KR7600 said:I like my CR 3020, the best out of all of them. I have the 1980's,1280's and 1250's. I have the Concept 16.5, the G 22000, the 9600, the 9050 and a bunch of others.. I do not like the Marantz's at all. It is all a matter of personal preference. My seperates sound better than all of them. Sometimes "more advanced or newer" is not better, just different. Toroidal tranformer or not, dual power supply or not, does it really matter so long as you like it? If you can afford it does it matter how much it costs or that it is different or exotic.
onepixel said:ReEdger would be the one to say. He has the 2385, a couple of 2500s, SX-1980, G-22000 etc. etc. He only gets really excited about the big Yamaha.
vintagestereo said:onepixel -- It's reassuring to know that an owner of the Marantz 2500 isn't all that excited about it. I've been saying that for years. "The Emperor has no clothes!"![]()
-- Chris
onepixel said:Nice try Chris! lol
He is excited about the Marantz 2500. He just likes the sound of the Yamaha CR-3020, the best overall and is the most excited about.
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There is only a small difference in thier serial numbers ,so only thing I can guess is this.This was the last series before the cost cutting began.Some may have already showed up in the grill change and removing a feature.I do not have the other unit but I will check mine when I get home.Twenty20Man said:RSTSGSAS, I looked at your other thread where you mention fixing someones CR-3020 and put on a new suit. also that it had plastic grills where yours had metal grills. I looked closely at the thumbnail of that unit and I noticed that there are only seven push buttons between the variable muting knob and the leds. and the one presently on Ebay has eight. any reason you know of for the discrepancy?
Twenty20Man said:RSTSGSAS, I looked at your other thread where you mention fixing someones CR-3020 and put on a new suit. also that it had plastic grills where yours had metal grills. I looked closely at the thumbnail of that unit and I noticed that there are only seven push buttons between the variable muting knob and the leds. and the one presently on Ebay has eight. any reason you know of for the discrepancy?
rstsgsas said:There is only a small difference in thier serial numbers ,so only thing I can guess is this.This was the last series before the cost cutting began.Some may have already showed up in the grill change and removing a feature.I do not have the other unit but I will check mine when I get home.
Regarding damping factor - the CR-3020 has enough for all practical purposes with a damping factor of 70 or > at 1K into 8 Ohms (listed in the service manual). The CR-3020's FM S/N is 80 mono / 75 stereo, which is close to the R-2000's 85 mono / 80 stereo. The CR-3020 & the R-2000 specs are very similar, but there is simply no comparison between the power supplies or cooling. The CR-3020 has some real balls behind it's power rating.vintagestereo said:Well, I HAVE heard them all........and, although quite good, the CR-3020 is not the top dog. It was a "beefed up" CR-2020 with about 50% more power and a few more features. But, it was very conventional and didn't break any new ground technologically, with the exception of Auto IF.
It simply doesn't have the dynamic range, or the power supply, of something like a Hitachi SR-2004, which can pump out peaks of 400 wpc, which really "opens things up a bit".
Also, the bottom end is nothing like a Concept 16.5 (450 damping factor) or Rotel RX-1603. It's clear and tight for sure, but won't send a shiver up and down your spine. The CR-3020's specs don't even mention the Damping Factor, but you can tell audibly that's it not in the same class.
In fact, Yamaha's own R-2000, CR-3020's "grandson", once the novel X-Processor is properly heatsinked, will out power it as well and pulls in FM Stations with a significantly better S/N Ratio.
-- Chris
Divotdog said:Thats a great ad, very well written :yes:
vintagestereo said:In terms of overall visual/tactile quality, nothing compares to the CR-3020. It is THE BEST.