I wouldn't go back to that place. If that's your only option for repair than I would most certainly opt for new or gently used through Bartertown.
Accuphase E-202 vs Modern Integrateds
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I wouldn't go back to that place. If that's your only option for repair than I would most certainly opt for new or gently used through Bartertown.
That Yamaha looks super. I haven't heard it, but I imagine it sounds very good as well. It sure is a whole lot more money than getting the E-202 rebuilt at a good shop, though. I'd be getting the P300 back and finding a new tech ASAP. That long is just inexcusable IMO. If one cannot get a job done in a timely manner one should not be taking it in. Almost 2 years is far too long.
Yes, I know that is far too long. I'm in Seattle and there are no other techs that I know of. The tech is actually amazing and the sweetest guy but he can't say no. People keep bringing stuff in because he charges $35/hr and expect him to fix it right then so he can never work on the items in his backlog. If anyone knows of another tech in the area I am all ears!
I am seriously considering that yamaha...
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I am seriously considering that yamaha...
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I'm happy to hear that the P300 is with someone good at least. Most of the techs I've heard of who run that slowly are not good. Maybe there is some way you could nudge him along without making him feel bad in the process? It seems to me like maybe other people are pushing themselves to the front of the queue? Do you run the C200 with the P300? I'd love to hear that classic pairing.
Yes, I ran the P300 with the C200. It truly sounded amazing and gave me the finest vintage sound I had ever heard. I say vintage because I have never heard a modern amplifier in action and assume today's top of the line could rival or beat any vintage unit. Interestingly, the E-202 sounded much better in amp only mode and connected to the C200. I recapped the E-202's pre-amp section and expected it to sound better than the C200 uncapped but it didn't. Also, I felt that the E-202/C200 combo sounded better than my fully restored Pioneer Spec-2/original Spec-1 combo with my Celestion and AR-9 speakers.
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Nice suggestions but I can't afford Bryston or Magnum Dynalabs, even used. I was hoping I could find a used NAD M3 for around $1200 but I've had no such luck either.
The Yamaha A-S2000 I can get new for around $1500 and there is the Outlaw RR2150 for $699 but I find the Outlaw's appearance less appealing. In reviews of the Yamaha people are claiming that the build quality resembles Accuphase which if true, is quite amazing.
The Yamaha A-S2000 I can get new for around $1500 and there is the Outlaw RR2150 for $699 but I find the Outlaw's appearance less appealing. In reviews of the Yamaha people are claiming that the build quality resembles Accuphase which if true, is quite amazing.
FootFungus
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I'd try to find a more modern integrated if you spend a lot of time listening. You can get a Krell KAV-300i for under $800 at times. The Classe CAP-80/100/101/150/151 can all be had for under $1000. The Plinius 8XX0 series and Portal Pinache are other options. There are tons of other good options which may be better suited to your tastes.
The E-202 I rebuilt had some charm (it imaged well) but is easily outmatched. If yours is in nice cosmetic shape, you might just sell it as is for possibly good money. Don't be fooled by a pretty face...
The E-202 I rebuilt had some charm (it imaged well) but is easily outmatched. If yours is in nice cosmetic shape, you might just sell it as is for possibly good money. Don't be fooled by a pretty face...
http://www.amazon.com/Denon-PMA2000...lifier/dp/B00022673A/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
I think this would be ideal. There's one at a local shop that took it on trade. Very nice unit.
I think this would be ideal. There's one at a local shop that took it on trade. Very nice unit.
charles 1973
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Did you know that Accuphase will repair your amp and bring it up to par the proper way. Check out thier website. I'm sure It's not cheap, but I just want you to be aware of this option too. It may be that the E-202 is not one of Accuphase's best efforts, so I don't know if it is worth spending a lot on it, like I first thought.
My suggestion for the Bryston and Magnum Dynalab Amps was based on the same list price as the New NAD M3. I don't honestly believe you need to spend that much to get Really good Sound from an amp and still get today's Conviences. In fact IMO if you can get the YAMAHA A-S2000 for around $1,500 that might be a fine choice, and one I might make in your situation.
By most account's it gets very good reviews, it's 90 wpc (and 150 wpc @ 4 Ohms) is plenty of power to drive most speakers to reasonably loud levels. It comes with the all important (to me anyway) Remote Control, Has a DAC and Phono Preamp. It's also has a fairly handsome Front and good build quality. Thats a lot of Amp for $1,500...even $2,000.
My suggestion for the Bryston and Magnum Dynalab Amps was based on the same list price as the New NAD M3. I don't honestly believe you need to spend that much to get Really good Sound from an amp and still get today's Conviences. In fact IMO if you can get the YAMAHA A-S2000 for around $1,500 that might be a fine choice, and one I might make in your situation.
By most account's it gets very good reviews, it's 90 wpc (and 150 wpc @ 4 Ohms) is plenty of power to drive most speakers to reasonably loud levels. It comes with the all important (to me anyway) Remote Control, Has a DAC and Phono Preamp. It's also has a fairly handsome Front and good build quality. Thats a lot of Amp for $1,500...even $2,000.
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Check out Yamaha's newest integrated below.
http://www.hifivision.com/amplifiers/35312-yamaha-cd-s3000-s3000.html
Looks amazing and probably sounds the same.
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moejr
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http://audio.teac.com/product/ai-2000/specifications/
Looks like a nice unit. 125 wpc. Comes in silver too!
Looks like a nice unit. 125 wpc. Comes in silver too!
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Wow. If I had money to burn (it won't be cheap) and needed an integrated that would sure fill the bill. Yamaha got the look of things and control logic right back in the 70's and I'm glad to see they have returned to that pattern in recent years.
Wow, that 3000 sounds and looks amazing. It may be one of those things I buy in 20 years out of nostalgia. 
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Ended up placing an order through Hifi Heaven for the a-s2000. They do have the best price! I will just keep the E202 around and fix it when I can. It's so beautiful and well built that I couldn't ever part with it. For me, looks are just as important as the sound and I'd rather have both!
Thanks for everyone's suggestions!
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I Ended up placing an order through Hifi Heaven for the a-s2000. They do have the best price! I will just keep the E202 around and fix it when I can. It's so beautiful and well built that I couldn't ever part with it. For me, looks are just as important as the sound and I'd rather have both!
Thanks for everyone's suggestions!
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Wow, that 3000 sounds and looks amazing. It may be one of those things I buy in 20 years out of nostalgia.
Ended up placing an order through Hifi Heaven for the a-s2000. They do have the best price! I will just keep the E202 around and fix it when I can. It's so beautiful and well built that I couldn't ever part with it. For me, looks are just as important as the sound and I'd rather have both!
Thanks for everyone's suggestions!
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Congrats.
I am sure you will be well satisfied with the A-S2000.
Let us know how it compares to the E-202.
With CD replay, it should be a good step up from the E-202.
Vinyl should be quite an interesting comparison.
I'm looking forward to hearing how the A-S2000 works out. The nice thing about the E-202 for me has always been that while it is perhaps not up to the best current standard I find it to be eminently listenable, completely non-fatiguing and musical. To me that is worth keeping around.
I will update this thread when I get the Yamaha and will do a comparison between the amps. In fact, I might as well throw in my Sansui AU-D11 II into the mix as well!
Hey guys,
So I received the Yamaha A-S2000 on Friday and let it burn it for over 24 hours. Here are my impressions:
Build quality of the thing is tremendous. I actually strained my back lifting it out of the box. The thing weighs a ton and every facet of it screams hi-end. All the knobs and controls are solid metal and tight. The larger circular knobs are actually tapered which is a nice touch since it follows the contours of your fingers. Its really beautiful too, in an understated way. I will probably keep this unit for life since its the first amp that I've ever purchased new.
I hooked it up to a pair of old Canton CT-70's and the amp sounds great. I compared it to my Sansui AU-D11 II which is completely original and I can't say if it sounds better or not. It does sound different, for instance, reverb lasts slightly longer with the Yamaha vs the Sansui which gives instruments like guitar a very nice attack and decay. The Yamaha exposes (I think) more upper range detail. Now, whether that sounds "better" to me is debatable since I think the Sansui sounds just as good though perhaps more natural sounding? I don't know if my definition of natural means rolled off highs or what but the Yamaha can sound a tiny bit more "digital" with vocals. Only on the MP3's though, I noticed that when using my California Audio Lab Tercet IV CD player it doesn't happen so it may simply be that the Yamaha is revealing the poor quality of digital compressed audio which the Sansui doesn't really pick up.
Most of my audio collection is comprised of not-so-good MP3's so I may have to keep the Sansui for the media center and use the Yamaha only with CD'S.
Lesson learned. I now know that I prefer the vintage sound because I simply enjoy listening to music and not revealing the flaws of the recording!
I guess technically, if you're looking at frequency charts and quantitative measurements, the Yamaha would be superior to the Sansui. The Sansui sounded better than my E-202 in my opinion (though when using the C-200 preamp in conjunction the Accuphase may have sounded better) so I guess one could argue that the Yamaha would technically beat the E202 as well.
Of course, after more listening, my opinions may change which it often does when I get used to a certain sound.
So I received the Yamaha A-S2000 on Friday and let it burn it for over 24 hours. Here are my impressions:
Build quality of the thing is tremendous. I actually strained my back lifting it out of the box. The thing weighs a ton and every facet of it screams hi-end. All the knobs and controls are solid metal and tight. The larger circular knobs are actually tapered which is a nice touch since it follows the contours of your fingers. Its really beautiful too, in an understated way. I will probably keep this unit for life since its the first amp that I've ever purchased new.
I hooked it up to a pair of old Canton CT-70's and the amp sounds great. I compared it to my Sansui AU-D11 II which is completely original and I can't say if it sounds better or not. It does sound different, for instance, reverb lasts slightly longer with the Yamaha vs the Sansui which gives instruments like guitar a very nice attack and decay. The Yamaha exposes (I think) more upper range detail. Now, whether that sounds "better" to me is debatable since I think the Sansui sounds just as good though perhaps more natural sounding? I don't know if my definition of natural means rolled off highs or what but the Yamaha can sound a tiny bit more "digital" with vocals. Only on the MP3's though, I noticed that when using my California Audio Lab Tercet IV CD player it doesn't happen so it may simply be that the Yamaha is revealing the poor quality of digital compressed audio which the Sansui doesn't really pick up.
Most of my audio collection is comprised of not-so-good MP3's so I may have to keep the Sansui for the media center and use the Yamaha only with CD'S.
Lesson learned. I now know that I prefer the vintage sound because I simply enjoy listening to music and not revealing the flaws of the recording!
I guess technically, if you're looking at frequency charts and quantitative measurements, the Yamaha would be superior to the Sansui. The Sansui sounded better than my E-202 in my opinion (though when using the C-200 preamp in conjunction the Accuphase may have sounded better) so I guess one could argue that the Yamaha would technically beat the E202 as well.
Of course, after more listening, my opinions may change which it often does when I get used to a certain sound.
Hey guys, I just wanted to follow up. After listening to the Yamaha A-S2000 amplifier and CD-S2000 CD player for a few weeks now I don't miss the Accuphase at all. The two work well together and any reservations I had in the past about the sound are gone. I would highly recommend the A-S2000!