indeed, completely different engine and actually developed by different divisions entirely. The 462 was a MEL, Mercury Edsel Lincoln engine and the 460 was a Ford engine. They put the 460 in trucks if that tells you anything.
Anyone else think cars are de-evolving?
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indeed, completely different engine and actually developed by different divisions entirely. The 462 was a MEL, Mercury Edsel Lincoln engine and the 460 was a Ford engine. They put the 460 in trucks if that tells you anything.
BMWCCA
Addicted Member
I had Brembo brakes on my BMW back in 1977 (it was a '78 model). Sure, it was a motorcycle, but does that matter?
My daily-driver is 19-years-old and I sell new cars for a living. Do I not appreciate new cars? No, I really do. Some of them are amazing and a blast to drive and many still have manual transmissions. Do I want to own one? Nah, I'd rather spend that money on my health-care premiums and my kids' college loans! Would I want to own any current model 19-years from now as a daily-driver? Most likely I wouldn't be able to afford to keep it running.
My 19-year-old car has ABS, Traction Control, digital motor electronics, a fantastic stock sound system, 4-wheel-disc brakes, gets 29-mpg on the highway, and seat four comfortably. It costs me next to nothing to run and is a joy to drive on my way home even after a day of driving the latest and greatest $100k German hotrods.
Mister Pig
Pigamus Maximus
I drive heavy equipment for a living. I spend 12 hours a day behind the wheel of a 68,000 pound rig that can literally install a "drive all the way thru" of your local mall.
With that much time behind a windshield every day, I really do not enjoy driving anymore. So a car is more of a tool to me, and I value a tool that is dependable and does not cost me time or money. Having owned cars that were very needy in terms of maintenance over thier life time, this is a big deal to me.
The wife has an 06 Hyundai Sonata which is utterly reliable, gets decent gas mileage, is reasonably comfortable, and not terribly expensive on the used market. I recently bought an 06 Mazda 3, which is adequate for a work car. Price was modest, i appreciate the 30+ mpg, and once again it has been reliable. I have a 94 Mustang GT in the garage, that is fun to drive, but really just sits there except for a few days out of every summer. It is a pain to drive, needs some overdue maintenance, and modern cars have passed it by in terms of performance. Some may find it nice to look at, but its getting to be a dinosaur.
Personally I do not agree with your premise. I find plenty of value in current production cars.
Regards
Mister Pig
With that much time behind a windshield every day, I really do not enjoy driving anymore. So a car is more of a tool to me, and I value a tool that is dependable and does not cost me time or money. Having owned cars that were very needy in terms of maintenance over thier life time, this is a big deal to me.
The wife has an 06 Hyundai Sonata which is utterly reliable, gets decent gas mileage, is reasonably comfortable, and not terribly expensive on the used market. I recently bought an 06 Mazda 3, which is adequate for a work car. Price was modest, i appreciate the 30+ mpg, and once again it has been reliable. I have a 94 Mustang GT in the garage, that is fun to drive, but really just sits there except for a few days out of every summer. It is a pain to drive, needs some overdue maintenance, and modern cars have passed it by in terms of performance. Some may find it nice to look at, but its getting to be a dinosaur.
Personally I do not agree with your premise. I find plenty of value in current production cars.
Regards
Mister Pig
I'd agree with most of the folks herein who profess that newer vehicles are far more reliable, & handle better than their kin from the 70s, 80s, 90s, etc. The question is for how long. It's all about safety, & gas mileage today...AND about who has the most electronic gadgetry, to lure in the youngins' who MUST have icon laden touch screen in order to survive. The real problem lies down the road, for people like me who NEVER buy new. Most cars, even 20 year old ones have become mechanically reliable, & will easily do over 200K without major engine work. BUT, due to scads of interconnected sensors, & 'puter controlled emissions systems, tire pressure monitors. etc. etc., the slightest hiccup, will trigger the dreaded CEL, & send yer' butt to the mechanic to chase, & replace parts, that didn't even exist in older vehicles. And, of course, just try to access any of these buried gems hidden away beneath the spaghetti jungle under the hood. My take is that many a good performing vehicle will be sent to the crusher after the warranty expires due to more glitches than produced by the Affordable Heath Care website.
Terry F.
AK Member
OP, I understand your rant but somewhat disagree. I do agree, however, that it will be difficult to find a replacement within your criteria. No doubt, cars continue to become more "electronic" and will be more expensive to repair as they age. I drive a very, very complex sedan, a VW Phaeton. You would hate it. But the point is, some repairs are very expensive, yes.
But I can't imagine a daily driver without ABS or electronic fuel injection. I grew up with carbureted cars and EFI was the greated thing since the proverbial sliced bread.
As you search for your next car, focus on base models. You won't be able to escape all technology, but you can eliminate a lot of it this way.
Best of luck,
Terry
But I can't imagine a daily driver without ABS or electronic fuel injection. I grew up with carbureted cars and EFI was the greated thing since the proverbial sliced bread.
As you search for your next car, focus on base models. You won't be able to escape all technology, but you can eliminate a lot of it this way.
Best of luck,
Terry
Vistance
Super Member
I guess it would help if I clarified, but my idea of "old" is in relative terms. I'm referring back to cars from the '90s and early '00s even. I drove a '96 Buick Riviera through high school and almost all of college (If it didn't start having transmission trouble, I'd still be driving it today). I enjoyed the general feel it had, but did find it didn't handle the greatest. I used to love all the tech in cars when I was younger, looking at the fancy new things in BMWs and Mercedes and thinking they were neat but now I really value the simplicity. Manual windows, manual seats, a slider for climate control. It's much more reliable than the digital equivalent and is hardly off-putting. My Riviera had issues with the driver window motor being slow to roll down especially in the cold. If it were a simple crank window it would be no deal at all. I certainly don't want to go so far back as to lose fuel injection and ABS, as well as disc brakes.
But I appreciate luxury features. I like electric mirrors, wouldn't want manual mirrors. But sometimes things they do on cars now seems idiotic. Why do so many of these new faux luxury cars put a cheap analog clock in instead of a digital one? Honestly, I just want a digital clock that I can glance at and immediately know the time. Maybe it's just me but I read analog clocks slower, and that means more time I'm looking at the clock. It's also harder to see in the dark. Why does every car now have that sport shift thing, with the + and - so you can pretend you're driving a manual? They don't even work, almost all of them delay the shift or ignore it based on the speed you're going. So it's the illusion of control. No one even uses those sport modes. I know one person who does, and it just cheapens a car so much to me to visually see him slap it to go up a gear, wait a full second or two, then shift. My old Riviera shifted on command, something that newer automatics tend to not do.
Cars now just seem so disconnected. You push the gas pedal and there's a delay before the engine responds. Likely results of computers telling it to open up the throttle. For me the golden era of cars seems to be right through the '90s up to about maybe 2006 or so. After that everything started becoming full of overly complicated radios, flashing lights with the music, and other stupid gadgets. What's with the sunroofs on everything? I see these cars with panoramic sunroofs and just ask "Why?" All I can think of is if a wreck happened, it would shatter and fall in on me. I just never use my sunroof on my cars, I'd prefer a car without it. I guess I'm the only one, but maybe the fact I don't like driving with the windows down much either contributes to that as well. I prefer the quiet of the car with the windows up, so I don't have to hear loud trucks, leaking exhaust, and other people's excessively loud music.
I don't think anything is wrong with the reliability of newer cars, that part is fine. But my thing is, I think these newer cars will long outlast my desire to keep driving them. I mean to give an example, as someone who has driven several GM vehicles with 3800 engines I find them reliable cars but they're not very exciting. The supercharged variety, as I had in my Riviera were decent fun but some of their other vehicles with the NA 3800 just strike me as so boring. They're probably faster than, say an older Civic with 130 hp but they're no where near as much fun to drive. So few cars these days can strike any sense of "I'm proud to drive this, it's nice!" They're just so confuseable with each other that it doesn't even matter. Chevy Impala, Buick LeSabre, Pontiac Grand Prix - what's the difference? All are decent reliable cars, but they are just so boring. And since this infatuation with SUVs started in the late '90s the spectrum has moved even further toward the boring and mundane.
I drove a '99 Cadillac DeVille for almost a year before we sold it, I enjoyed the power of it's Northstar engine and it sounded good. But the car was so floaty, it felt disconnected from the road. I know it's made to, and at times it was nice but it didn't really feel exciting to drive. I liked the solid heavy doors, the interior room, the trunk size, just the general size of it all but the handling was kind of boring in general. It was sold for reliability reasons, worked fine but I feared for potential issues based on known Northstar problems.
I just feel like with any newer car I won't be able to do anything to them. They bury everything under the hood under computers and sensors and I'll never be able to do anything but change the oil, rotate the wheels, change the rotors/pads, check the fluids, and replace spark plugs. Older cars have the huge advantage here, yes they were not as reliable in their day but a rebuilt engine in an old vehicle would be easier to service these days and not difficult to work on given all the room under the hood.
I guess at this point in my life, I don't mind having to do some work to drive my car. It's why I have wanted a manual since I started driving and was so glad to finally get one. I don't need the car to shift for me, I'll do it. I hate that the general car buying public is enamored with all these features that make it easier for them to stop paying attention when they drive. Instead of them learning to put the phone down, stop playing with the radio, and so on car makers are just making the car protect the driver from their own stupid behavior.
I take care of my car, and really enjoy it. I couldn't drive something I don't really like. If I didn't, my desire to care for it would be diminished, and then I'd probably look like the other people I see driving cars that are dirty, wheels covered in brake dust, and just generally complacent about their condition. Since I'm young, I want something impractical. I have no one else that will interfere with me getting a two-seater or whatever I want. Why buy something bland and boring now, when I might end up in something like that when I'm older? Ideally I'd still be into sporty cars then too. Plenty of practical vehicles that can be family vehicles, CTS-V comes to mind for me along with BMW M5 and kin. I don't see those as reasonable cars for me yet, but maybe later on they might be.
Anyhow, here's a picture of my Riviera. I used to think it was the coolest car out there when I first started driving, but I realize now it's probably just seen as some old lady looking car. For whatever it's seen as, it was reliable and got me everywhere and was pretty cool to me when I was driving it. To me, it sure beat the stuff I saw other people driving.
I still have the Riviera actually, still drives but the transmission doesn't go into overdrive. It had 139k when I started driving it in 2005, drove it up until July this year and it had 168k on it when I stopped driving it and bought something else. We already spent a fair amount fixing other things on it, enough to make spending almost as much as the car's book value is to fix the transmission not really worthwhile. I hate it, but economically it made no sense and I wanted something different anyhow. Driving my first car for 8 years isn't too bad, I'd say.
But I appreciate luxury features. I like electric mirrors, wouldn't want manual mirrors. But sometimes things they do on cars now seems idiotic. Why do so many of these new faux luxury cars put a cheap analog clock in instead of a digital one? Honestly, I just want a digital clock that I can glance at and immediately know the time. Maybe it's just me but I read analog clocks slower, and that means more time I'm looking at the clock. It's also harder to see in the dark. Why does every car now have that sport shift thing, with the + and - so you can pretend you're driving a manual? They don't even work, almost all of them delay the shift or ignore it based on the speed you're going. So it's the illusion of control. No one even uses those sport modes. I know one person who does, and it just cheapens a car so much to me to visually see him slap it to go up a gear, wait a full second or two, then shift. My old Riviera shifted on command, something that newer automatics tend to not do.
Cars now just seem so disconnected. You push the gas pedal and there's a delay before the engine responds. Likely results of computers telling it to open up the throttle. For me the golden era of cars seems to be right through the '90s up to about maybe 2006 or so. After that everything started becoming full of overly complicated radios, flashing lights with the music, and other stupid gadgets. What's with the sunroofs on everything? I see these cars with panoramic sunroofs and just ask "Why?" All I can think of is if a wreck happened, it would shatter and fall in on me. I just never use my sunroof on my cars, I'd prefer a car without it. I guess I'm the only one, but maybe the fact I don't like driving with the windows down much either contributes to that as well. I prefer the quiet of the car with the windows up, so I don't have to hear loud trucks, leaking exhaust, and other people's excessively loud music.
I don't think anything is wrong with the reliability of newer cars, that part is fine. But my thing is, I think these newer cars will long outlast my desire to keep driving them. I mean to give an example, as someone who has driven several GM vehicles with 3800 engines I find them reliable cars but they're not very exciting. The supercharged variety, as I had in my Riviera were decent fun but some of their other vehicles with the NA 3800 just strike me as so boring. They're probably faster than, say an older Civic with 130 hp but they're no where near as much fun to drive. So few cars these days can strike any sense of "I'm proud to drive this, it's nice!" They're just so confuseable with each other that it doesn't even matter. Chevy Impala, Buick LeSabre, Pontiac Grand Prix - what's the difference? All are decent reliable cars, but they are just so boring. And since this infatuation with SUVs started in the late '90s the spectrum has moved even further toward the boring and mundane.
I drove a '99 Cadillac DeVille for almost a year before we sold it, I enjoyed the power of it's Northstar engine and it sounded good. But the car was so floaty, it felt disconnected from the road. I know it's made to, and at times it was nice but it didn't really feel exciting to drive. I liked the solid heavy doors, the interior room, the trunk size, just the general size of it all but the handling was kind of boring in general. It was sold for reliability reasons, worked fine but I feared for potential issues based on known Northstar problems.
I just feel like with any newer car I won't be able to do anything to them. They bury everything under the hood under computers and sensors and I'll never be able to do anything but change the oil, rotate the wheels, change the rotors/pads, check the fluids, and replace spark plugs. Older cars have the huge advantage here, yes they were not as reliable in their day but a rebuilt engine in an old vehicle would be easier to service these days and not difficult to work on given all the room under the hood.
I guess at this point in my life, I don't mind having to do some work to drive my car. It's why I have wanted a manual since I started driving and was so glad to finally get one. I don't need the car to shift for me, I'll do it. I hate that the general car buying public is enamored with all these features that make it easier for them to stop paying attention when they drive. Instead of them learning to put the phone down, stop playing with the radio, and so on car makers are just making the car protect the driver from their own stupid behavior.
I take care of my car, and really enjoy it. I couldn't drive something I don't really like. If I didn't, my desire to care for it would be diminished, and then I'd probably look like the other people I see driving cars that are dirty, wheels covered in brake dust, and just generally complacent about their condition. Since I'm young, I want something impractical. I have no one else that will interfere with me getting a two-seater or whatever I want. Why buy something bland and boring now, when I might end up in something like that when I'm older? Ideally I'd still be into sporty cars then too. Plenty of practical vehicles that can be family vehicles, CTS-V comes to mind for me along with BMW M5 and kin. I don't see those as reasonable cars for me yet, but maybe later on they might be.
Anyhow, here's a picture of my Riviera. I used to think it was the coolest car out there when I first started driving, but I realize now it's probably just seen as some old lady looking car. For whatever it's seen as, it was reliable and got me everywhere and was pretty cool to me when I was driving it. To me, it sure beat the stuff I saw other people driving.
I still have the Riviera actually, still drives but the transmission doesn't go into overdrive. It had 139k when I started driving it in 2005, drove it up until July this year and it had 168k on it when I stopped driving it and bought something else. We already spent a fair amount fixing other things on it, enough to make spending almost as much as the car's book value is to fix the transmission not really worthwhile. I hate it, but economically it made no sense and I wanted something different anyhow. Driving my first car for 8 years isn't too bad, I'd say.
Very nice Rob, I love clean older cars like those that aren't over modified. Part of me thinks I'd really like to try driving one, but personally I'm a bit paranoid of cars that age that aren't bigger for safety reasons. I'm always fearing someone in an SUV or truck is going to hit me while they're playing with something and kill me. Partially a reasonable concern and partially me being worried about everything a bit more than I probably should be.
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E.Man
Super Member
HiFi in WYO
The universe is a big place, perhaps the biggest.
Love that style of Riv, Vistance. Beautiful car!
Putterman
Super Member
I guess it would help if I clarified, but my idea of "old" is in relative terms. I'm referring back to cars from the '90s and early '00s even. I drove a '96 Buick Riviera through high school and almost all of college (If it didn't start having transmission trouble, I'd still be driving it today). I enjoyed the general feel it had, but did find it didn't handle the greatest. I used to love all the tech in cars when I was younger, looking at the fancy new things in BMWs and Mercedes and thinking they were neat but now I really value the simplicity. Manual windows, manual seats, a slider for climate control. It's much more reliable than the digital equivalent and is hardly off-putting. My Riviera had issues with the driver window motor being slow to roll down especially in the cold. If it were a simple crank window it would be no deal at all. I certainly don't want to go so far back as to lose fuel injection and ABS, as well as disc brakes.
But I appreciate luxury features. I like electric mirrors, wouldn't want manual mirrors. But sometimes things they do on cars now seems idiotic. Why do so many of these new faux luxury cars put a cheap analog clock in instead of a digital one? Honestly, I just want a digital clock that I can glance at and immediately know the time. Maybe it's just me but I read analog clocks slower, and that means more time I'm looking at the clock. It's also harder to see in the dark. Why does every car now have that sport shift thing, with the + and - so you can pretend you're driving a manual? They don't even work, almost all of them delay the shift or ignore it based on the speed you're going. So it's the illusion of control. No one even uses those sport modes. I know one person who does, and it just cheapens a car so much to me to visually see him slap it to go up a gear, wait a full second or two, then shift. My old Riviera shifted on command, something that newer automatics tend to not do.
Cars now just seem so disconnected. You push the gas pedal and there's a delay before the engine responds. Likely results of computers telling it to open up the throttle. For me the golden era of cars seems to be right through the '90s up to about maybe 2006 or so. After that everything started becoming full of overly complicated radios, flashing lights with the music, and other stupid gadgets. What's with the sunroofs on everything? I see these cars with panoramic sunroofs and just ask "Why?" All I can think of is if a wreck happened, it would shatter and fall in on me. I just never use my sunroof on my cars, I'd prefer a car without it. I guess I'm the only one, but maybe the fact I don't like driving with the windows down much either contributes to that as well. I prefer the quiet of the car with the windows up, so I don't have to hear loud trucks, leaking exhaust, and other people's excessively loud music.
I don't think anything is wrong with the reliability of newer cars, that part is fine. But my thing is, I think these newer cars will long outlast my desire to keep driving them. I mean to give an example, as someone who has driven several GM vehicles with 3800 engines I find them reliable cars but they're not very exciting. The supercharged variety, as I had in my Riviera were decent fun but some of their other vehicles with the NA 3800 just strike me as so boring. They're probably faster than, say an older Civic with 130 hp but they're no where near as much fun to drive. So few cars these days can strike any sense of "I'm proud to drive this, it's nice!" They're just so confuseable with each other that it doesn't even matter. Chevy Impala, Buick LeSabre, Pontiac Grand Prix - what's the difference? All are decent reliable cars, but they are just so boring. And since this infatuation with SUVs started in the late '90s the spectrum has moved even further toward the boring and mundane.
I drove a '99 Cadillac DeVille for almost a year before we sold it, I enjoyed the power of it's Northstar engine and it sounded good. But the car was so floaty, it felt disconnected from the road. I know it's made to, and at times it was nice but it didn't really feel exciting to drive. I liked the solid heavy doors, the interior room, the trunk size, just the general size of it all but the handling was kind of boring in general. It was sold for reliability reasons, worked fine but I feared for potential issues based on known Northstar problems.
I just feel like with any newer car I won't be able to do anything to them. They bury everything under the hood under computers and sensors and I'll never be able to do anything but change the oil, rotate the wheels, change the rotors/pads, check the fluids, and replace spark plugs. Older cars have the huge advantage here, yes they were not as reliable in their day but a rebuilt engine in an old vehicle would be easier to service these days and not difficult to work on given all the room under the hood.
I guess at this point in my life, I don't mind having to do some work to drive my car. It's why I have wanted a manual since I started driving and was so glad to finally get one. I don't need the car to shift for me, I'll do it. I hate that the general car buying public is enamored with all these features that make it easier for them to stop paying attention when they drive. Instead of them learning to put the phone down, stop playing with the radio, and so on car makers are just making the car protect the driver from their own stupid behavior.
I take care of my car, and really enjoy it. I couldn't drive something I don't really like. If I didn't, my desire to care for it would be diminished, and then I'd probably look like the other people I see driving cars that are dirty, wheels covered in brake dust, and just generally complacent about their condition. Since I'm young, I want something impractical. I have no one else that will interfere with me getting a two-seater or whatever I want. Why buy something bland and boring now, when I might end up in something like that when I'm older? Ideally I'd still be into sporty cars then too. Plenty of practical vehicles that can be family vehicles, CTS-V comes to mind for me along with BMW M5 and kin. I don't see those as reasonable cars for me yet, but maybe later on they might be.
Anyhow, here's a picture of my Riviera. I used to think it was the coolest car out there when I first started driving, but I realize now it's probably just seen as some old lady looking car. For whatever it's seen as, it was reliable and got me everywhere and was pretty cool to me when I was driving it. To me, it sure beat the stuff I saw other people driving.
I still have the Riviera actually, still drives but the transmission doesn't go into overdrive. It had 139k when I started driving it in 2005, drove it up until July this year and it had 168k on it when I stopped driving it and bought something else. We already spent a fair amount fixing other things on it, enough to make spending almost as much as the car's book value is to fix the transmission not really worthwhile. I hate it, but economically it made no sense and I wanted something different anyhow. Driving my first car for 8 years isn't too bad, I'd say.
Very nice Rob, I love clean older cars like those that aren't over modified. Part of me thinks I'd really like to try driving one, but personally I'm a bit paranoid of cars that age that aren't bigger for safety reasons. I'm always fearing someone in an SUV or truck is going to hit me while they're playing with something and kill me. Partially a reasonable concern and partially me being worried about everything a bit more than I probably should be.
This is probably threadcrapping, but why is it some posts (like yours) go off the screen so that I have to keep scrolling to read them. It's not so bad when they're short, but yours is pretty long albeit well written (which is to say that it's not a big unbroken block of text) so that I just skim it.
Getting back to the subject, modern tech has made cars much safer. Things like backup cameras are what I call human engineering. In theory you shouldn't need them, but that time you're late for work and don't look carefully as you're backing up and run over your kid's tricycle or worse, your kid.
I'll admit that I'm an car as appliance guy although I appreciate sports car attributes like good acceleration and handling.
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PioneerGuy85
needs more Fluroscan
My two cars are 23 and 29 years old, so I understand your rant completely.
And cars are *not* safer in *every* way. Outward visibility has taken a dive due to high sill lines, shapely back-sloping roofs, etc. Modern cars just have too many blind spots. No bones about it.
And cars are *not* safer in *every* way. Outward visibility has taken a dive due to high sill lines, shapely back-sloping roofs, etc. Modern cars just have too many blind spots. No bones about it.
Correct about the MEL & Ford engine swap. The 460 was designed in 68 for high tork to move land yachts. Then de-stroked to 429ci as in 429 Cobra Jet, Boss 429. Any 460 can easily be turned into a monster. Then with emission mandates and gas shortages of the early 70s. Ford de-stroked further and reduced compression and timing. These engines are the 400m & 351m M stands for "modified" Modified into a lethargic boat anchor.
That said the 429 CJ was a heavy engine with heavy parts. So when compared to the earlier FE Big Blocks like the 428 CJ or 427 they got stomped. In shifting gears the 429 would lose RPMs rapidly.
Guess whats in my car?
By the way my daily drivers are Pre 2000 vehicles, Usually Fords. The past 8 years I have had two very low milage 98 & 99 Crown Victoria's. This is prior to going crazy with computer tech. These cars are used by Law Enforcement and Taxies for a reason. The style did not change from 98 to the the end of production. So a 15 year old car doesn't look old or out of place. They are extremely low maintenance and comfortable to drive.
A safe reliable modern day Mussel Car.
A safe reliable modern day Mussel Car.
HiFi in WYO
The universe is a big place, perhaps the biggest.
427 - That's a beautiful Fairlane. Wow! :thmbsp:
This is my project - 1969 Toronado, the day I first found her, sinking into the Wyoming mud. Wasn't looking for a Toro, but I called the number and the guy said the only one who was interested wanted to demo derby it. Well, as with my junkyard audio strays, I couldn't let that happen.
It's not a daily driver yet, but it's getting close. Lots, and lots, and lots of work done, but after about eight years, (I've had it three) it's alive again. 455 c.i., 375 HP factory and somewhere around 400 lb ft of torque .... to the front wheels of course.
This is my project - 1969 Toronado, the day I first found her, sinking into the Wyoming mud. Wasn't looking for a Toro, but I called the number and the guy said the only one who was interested wanted to demo derby it. Well, as with my junkyard audio strays, I couldn't let that happen.
It's not a daily driver yet, but it's getting close. Lots, and lots, and lots of work done, but after about eight years, (I've had it three) it's alive again. 455 c.i., 375 HP factory and somewhere around 400 lb ft of torque .... to the front wheels of course.
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One of my favorite cars was a 2003 Vic Sport. Car had handling suspension, duals, nice leather interior. Ran and handled well. But when I married in 2004, my wife didn't want to drive such a large car in Chicago so we bought a CTS.
A few months ago we bought a new Ford Edge with all the doo-dads. The car rides and handles well, is very comfortable and with it's 285 HP motor is pretty fast. I enjoy driving the car very much. The voice command, My Ford Touch and navigation systems work much better than those on my previous 2012 Ford Focus SEL. I love modern cars.
The only thing I don't like is the flashy 20" wheels but all the Edge Limiteds on the lot had them, no choice there.
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Sandy G
Retired Member
Another PLUS thing for the Lincolns, in my book, anyway, was the ROOMINESS of them..I'm a BIG guy, & in a LOT of today's cars, there just ISN'T enuff room. In the Lincolns, I have PLENTY of room in the front seat, & can sit in the rear w/o having my knees in my chin.. Cars nowadays, especially Asian sourced models, just aren't SIZED for a big Lard-Butt like myself..
Good thread. I like the older cars better, more fun to drive, my 65 Riviera gets me where I need to go, it stops, starts, gets me from A to B. I like it.
The new cars all look the same, they do get good mileage tho. The manufacturers are putting way to much needless junk on them.
The Buick Riviera. A Classic. What a gorgeous example, too!
Cant stand most cars newer than 1995ish.
Here's my current cars I use, except the white civic which is in storage.
and my personal favorite.....a red 2nd Gen Rex.
Ahh, man, that's just gorgeous.
But I've told you this before, Rob. Great looking rex, bro.
I'm driving a 20 year old Caprice Wagon...nice, comfy, and relatively safe. When this one gives up the ghost, guess what will be in the driveway? If you guessed another '94 - '96 LT1 B-body, you are correct!
Gotta love those cars. I miss my '95 ImpalaSS. Great car!
I just wanted to jump in here and say this is, IMHO, one of the best looking cars to come out of Detroit.
mhardy6647
Lunatic Member
I likes me them ol' Rivierae, too...