Anyone read this yet?
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Rick Vestal
Have a nice day and duck!
I think he should spend a few days reading Doom9 before he goes and reinvents the wheel...
TheAnalogman
Tell me about it.
toups
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HTHMAN
Super Member
He is a guy trying to find a way to keep “Heart of Gold” going even longer. Will a new format help?
Have now. Thanks.
Good luck to him. He's not a tech, so he's got to hire a few guys who know their stuff. A lot of trust involved in the expenditure. He... just a sec, here. What's this? That Favorites Bar has showed up again inside my favorites bar. I just deleted it for the umpteenth time and Bill Gates has gone and put it back on my computer. I wish he would get of my effing pc. Where was I?... oh, yeah. He (Neil Young, not Bill Gates) should not involve Bill Gates in his cunning plans.
Good luck to him. He's not a tech, so he's got to hire a few guys who know their stuff. A lot of trust involved in the expenditure. He... just a sec, here. What's this? That Favorites Bar has showed up again inside my favorites bar. I just deleted it for the umpteenth time and Bill Gates has gone and put it back on my computer. I wish he would get of my effing pc. Where was I?... oh, yeah. He (Neil Young, not Bill Gates) should not involve Bill Gates in his cunning plans.
wizargoz
Super Member
Well, I say more power to him! At least someone cares enough about digital sound quality to put some effort into improving it.
Let's see: ""Young is also personally spearheading the development of Pono, a revolutionary new audio music system presenting the highest digital resolution possible, the studio quality sound that artists and producers heard when they created their original recordings."
So- what's wrong with that?
Let's see: ""Young is also personally spearheading the development of Pono, a revolutionary new audio music system presenting the highest digital resolution possible, the studio quality sound that artists and producers heard when they created their original recordings."
So- what's wrong with that?
oblomov
Well-Known Member
yeah, didn't he also develop some sort of electronic communication system for his son?
From which came his Trans album?
Much respect for Mr. Neil Young. You go sir! I see nothing wrong with what Mr. Young is trying to do. I just hope that it is within most people's means. (Knowing it's Mr. Neil Young, I'm sure we can rest assured that it will all be affordable and such).
I'm in total agreement with Mr. Young about sound quality and have been for years. He's no dummy. I mean, the man likes vinyl what more do you want?
Hey, how do we know Mr. Young is not a secret AK'r?!!! Hmm?:scratch2:
LOL! Hey, ya never know. hee hee hee
I'm in total agreement with Mr. Young about sound quality and have been for years. He's no dummy. I mean, the man likes vinyl what more do you want?
Hey, how do we know Mr. Young is not a secret AK'r?!!! Hmm?:scratch2:
LOL! Hey, ya never know. hee hee hee
Zolton
Well-Known Member
By "bought Lionel model trains"...I don't mean he bought a load of trains for him and his son to mess with, I mean he bought the company.
Naptown Rob
Ponographer
He may not be an engineer, but Neil has always been very into technology - from cars to you name it, and deeply, deeply concerned & involved with audio.
This can't be a bad thing, & could be a great thing!
This can't be a bad thing, & could be a great thing!
VinylHanger
Navigaret ex ironia
If he can give me a hi-def format with low loading times and I can put it in my pocket or on my phone, I'll buy it. It is actually kind of exciting in a it's gotta be better than 8-track way.
I'm certainly looking forward to hearing this stuff, as his silly contention that we are only hearing 5% of the music is absurd.
"According to Young, a typical download contains only five percent of the data that an original analog recording master offers, and the average studio-quality audio file requires roughly 30 minutes to download because of its uncompressed size."...
"When I started making records, we had a hundred percent of the sound," said Young."
Sorry, Neil but if I compare an old LP copy of "After the Gold Rush" to an .mp3, the sound of the .mp3 isn't 95% worse or less...
"According to Young, a typical download contains only five percent of the data that an original analog recording master offers, and the average studio-quality audio file requires roughly 30 minutes to download because of its uncompressed size."...
"When I started making records, we had a hundred percent of the sound," said Young."
Sorry, Neil but if I compare an old LP copy of "After the Gold Rush" to an .mp3, the sound of the .mp3 isn't 95% worse or less...
Ok, maybe he was exaggerating a little there. It's true we aren't hearing 5% of the music, but there is a significant amount of dynamics lost in MP3 and it varies with bitrate, but even at 320kps there is still noticable loss. I kind of took it as him trying to make a point which is still valid. It's probably closer to 45% -70% worse depending on bit rate as opposed to 95%. Of course it also depends on the gear used. The loss is probably almost not noticable on an ipod or portable MP3 player as it would be much more noticable on more revealing gear of any stripe (speakers, CD player capable of MP3, Squeezebox or other type unit with a decent DAC, etc).
Still, I understand his point and agree.
I think there is more to it though as he also states he wants hi quality uncompressed sound available to the masses, perhaps utilizing the cloud technology or something. The guy cares deeply about the quality of music as he should, we all should and do.
bshorey
Super Member
There are a lot of technical errors in the article. Neil (or the person who wrote the article), and a lot of people, seem to confuse dynamic music compression with file compression.
As for the 5%, if he is comparing how much of the data from an original 32 track studio master with tons of dynamic range makes it to the final MP3, then I can believe that a small percentage makes it. And they do seem to reference studio master.
But you can fix that problem without inventing new file formats. There are plenty of lossless file formats today, why do we need a new one (or two or three)? It could be because you can collect royalties from file formats..
Regardless, I do wish him luck. This is something a lot of us have complained about here, it's good to see somebody with some actual clout in the industry raise awareness to the problem and do something about it.
bs
What's new (and exciting) here is that the SOURCE MATERIAL is DIFFERENT than what any of us have had a chance to get access to. The studio masters as the starting point is a FIRST.
Where today's digital files are concerned, we are usually starting with a CD and then creating or downloading a digital transformation of if (via an *.mp3 up thru any of the "lossless" formats which do a better job of preserving the original quality of that CD). That CD, however, was never as good as the original studio recording ever was and THAT is what Mr. Young is trying to ultimately accomplish (getting us as clean/pure a digital representation of that original studio recording based on the available technology).
I think this is great and hope it ultimately becomes something I can afford. If Mr. Young is actually an AK'er and ever finds his way to this posting, consider me a BETA tester and an excited one at that
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--t
Where today's digital files are concerned, we are usually starting with a CD and then creating or downloading a digital transformation of if (via an *.mp3 up thru any of the "lossless" formats which do a better job of preserving the original quality of that CD). That CD, however, was never as good as the original studio recording ever was and THAT is what Mr. Young is trying to ultimately accomplish (getting us as clean/pure a digital representation of that original studio recording based on the available technology).
I think this is great and hope it ultimately becomes something I can afford. If Mr. Young is actually an AK'er and ever finds his way to this posting, consider me a BETA tester and an excited one at that
.--t
