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What's Next? The Current State of the Art

Cassette tape enthusiasts continue to get by on dwindling supplies and NOS. But what's next? Assuming that the old and favoured coatings are out of production, or soon to be so, how will we get the best bang for our buck in a market where older tape stock will be at a premium?

I thought this was interesting. It's a quotation from the Wikipedia article entitled Compact Cassette. The relevant facts are referenced against a pubished engineering paper:
The tape coating on most Cassettes sold today as either "Normal" or "Chrome" consists of Ferric Oxide and Cobalt mixed in varying ratios (and using various processes); there are very few cassettes on the market that use a pure (CrO2) coating.
A Japanese site mentions that some coatings were discontinued due to environmental concerns — presumably consistent with the fact that chromium is considered undesirable in land fills and so on. So it is just possible that local laws and ordinances prohibit certain coatings. This would go some distance in explaining why we can’t get X in Y location, but Z has the product.

My understanding is that the most commonly available tape coating these days is cobalt adsorbed iron oxide, commonly referred to as Avilyn. It was introduced by TDK in 1974. Now does this mean that ALL current production is Avilyn? Does this mean, for example, that if you order some TDK SA/SM or whatever 'chromium' Type II tape, you are in fact buying the old badge, but implementing a substitute coating? Perhaps more likely it is made in a country that allows manufacture, and is sold in locations where environmental law does not prohibit it. Environmental disaster due to heavy metals has been tragically impressed upon Japan. All the tape wrappers I currently see in Japanese stores omit the coating description and are only marked as either Type I or II. I think that we can safely assume that any tape that is made or sold in Japan is going to be Avilyn.

Be that as it may, just what are the comparisons? I would love to find some comprehensive information about how the various coatings compare in performance with respect to dynamic range, noise, retentivity, bleed through and so on. And I am very curious as to whether or not we can make up any possible lost ground on the older coatings by using high end recorders that include a calibration facility.

Some comprehensive answers to these questions may help some of us in our efforts to keep cassette recording a healthy alternative. I’ll be using new stock come what may because I have a lot of it. But I'd like to be aware of what I am doing in my recording. Over the last two years, I've heard and read a lot of subjective commentary, and I have pored over spec sheets, which to tell the truth don't mean a lot to me (despite effort to understand them better).

I have favourites too. But what do a user’s predilections mean? The systems keep changing. Machines come in and go out of adjustment. Recording techniques vary, and source material is hardly consistent.

Any ideas?
 
That's the stuff Mike. And I'm sure that you noted the complete absence of any specifications. And they are not in the in-store catalogues anymore either. Fourteen year old school girls are thinking about them, and college language labs that still use tape are happy with TDK AE and the like.
 
What I Found

Yodobashi Camera is a Japanese national chain store that retails electronics and electrical appliances. The Sendai branch is the size of at least 4 large American supermarkets. Their shipping/receiving looks like FedEx at LAX on a busy day. I take foreign visitors there, and they become almost startled. Well, yesterday I found that *I* have more tape stock than they do! The remaining tape is from the old and usual suspects; Sony, Maxell, TDK. Most of the stock was Type I, but there were a few blanks of Type II from each maker. And there you have it. '... coming to you soon at a location near you!'
 

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Lorne,
uuuuugggggh!!!!! :sigh: I like that Cat winking on the normal bias TDK on the right. :no: The TDK on the left side, the Type II CDing 2 sounds like something they market here too, but its in different packaging and I can't think of it off hand.

I'm only 35 and its times like these that I start feeling old, and I'm not :D
Thanks for sharing the photos
- Mike
 
poohsan said:
I always used maxell xl-ii-s and tdk sa-x tapes back in the days. Funny enough, whilst I was in our little company store today (that carries almost nothing useful) I noticed that they had tdk ma-90s for $2.80/ea of all things - I might snag one just to see if the old aiwa still works okay or not.

You should snag them all, and turn around and sell them on Ebay for pretty profit. Ten TDK MA-90s from around 1990, NOS, never opened, recently sold for $71. Its a shame I can't go into some store around here and find stuff like that sitting on the shelf, but I wouldn't sell them if I found em.
- mike
 
I wasn't sure if I should offer to do an AKer a favor and grab these and ship them for cost or not. Don't want to get any moderators angry at me...
I'm not a moderator, but I think I can say with some certainty that it is not an offense to offer a favor to another member. Many of us have flipped things back and forth in the mails to and from our brother and sister AKers without thoughts of profit. And in this case, perhaps better to supply someone who would appreciate the product than someone local who may be just as happy with TDK AE Type I or Sony HF.
 
blownsi said:
Check your local Walgreens(yes the drugstore.) As of a year or two ago (last time I looked) they still carried Maxell High Bias cassettes.

As of a day or two ago they still did.
 
The Walgreens in my area here sells the Maxell XLII 90 for 1.50. I may be wrong but I don't think they will be discontinuing tapes anytime soon as Maxell still acknowledges the tape on their web site.
 
Man I must have tried most of the blanks out there. I have a small stash of blanks myself. I have 3 3-head tape decks. Anyways the main tapes I used were Maxell XL-II and XL-IIS. I on occassion got the MX and MX-S ones. I have also used the UR normal tapes (those are the red case ones). I have bought a small batch of XL-I and XL-IS tapes. For TDK I have their MA tapes. Not sure how many MA-X ones- maybe a few. I bought 2 MA-XG older tapes, one of which is being saved for a display. TDK SA tapes were also good, as were the SA-X. I have bought some Denons. I have two boxes of the older Metal tapes. I forget the name. Another popular Denon tape was the HD-8 which was a metal coated chrome tape. I have bought a couple Fuji tapes FR-II and FR-Metal. Have a small collection of BASF tapes too including their normal and pure chrome tapes. Sony was popular with me as well. I used most of their chrome variants as well the a couple of their Metal tapes. I have a few of their old normals as well. I have 2 Triad tapes which I think are made by THATS. I will never use Triad's metal tapes again. They continually clogged up the heads on any deck they be used in. Severe shedding problems with them. And that was when they were new even. I have a few stock of Radio Shack tapes here too, but those were recently bought. I wasn't a big fan of their shells, so I didn't use the tape since there were so many better ones out there. But I got some this past year for old times sake remembering when they were still in stores in the 90s and 80s. I'd really like to get my hands on some Radio Shack early mid 80s Supertape Gold cassettes. Those were about the first tapes I ever bought when I was a kid. Fond days of being in Radio Shack when I was a kid, especially buying many of their portable cassette player/recorders. I still have one today from the Tandy computer systems. Oh cassettes. Those were the days. I recently got back into tape from a 10 year hiatis. I stopped recording in the late 90s and only started again this past year. I bought myself what I consider a dream tape deck (Aiwa XK-S9000) that uses Dolby S. Love Dolby S.

Ebay seems to be the last place remaining to get any decent old stock tapes. But you WILL pay for it. Get them while you can as tape wont be around forever. Keep in mind some tapes age, so tape bias will be off from normal. I openned up a Maxell XL-IIS tape dated late 80s and the bias was off quite a bit. It lost its high end. I compensated for it, but ended up with distortion on the recording due to the compensation. Getting newer stocks will help alleviate this problem. Metal tapes are not immune from this either.
 
Since I was just checking out the recorders I have been working on, a thought occurs to me. Is it worthwhile buying the type-II tapes for us guys with old ears. My hearing seems to be better than a lot of folks my age (63) as I can still hear to 13kc, but I can not hear flyback transformers any longer. Since the decks I was working on are rated for 30cps-15kcps with type-I and 30cps-16kcps with type-II (30-18k with ferri-chrome tape) does it make much difference? I admit that I could just hear a tiny bit more high-end detail on the II tape, but is that worth paying 2x+ as much for?

Tapes used Maxell XLii and TDK D.
 
Its hard to say if more high end on cassette will be translated to your ears. I would say if your hearing only goes up to 13khz, then there's not much point in buying chrome tapes. Normal tapes give the most balanced sound anyways, plus are eaiser on your heads, so why not just stick with them. You must have an older deck because most newer decks go at least down to 20hz. That you may notice.
 
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