Bob Carver has built new Amazing Line Source Speakers~

[Dan ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ]

No distortion is awesome.

It's also bullshit....but you knew that.

 

[kconnor]

I think you've missed the point of Jon's humor.

Yes I missed it. Its dripping with sarcasm, I hope. In that case I apologize. But for the rest of you that deserve it my comment still applies.

I remember around 1990 or so the McIntosh XRT22 speaker was made up of a bass/ mid module and a line array of 24 Philips tweeters that you could buy retail for about $12.00 a piece back then. I don’t remember the details but I know it was very expensive for the time around $9000 pr. I actually got to hear it at a McIntosh clinic in Mayport FL and it was excellent. I’m confident that with his proven skill Bob can do at least as well with those “cheap” Chinese ribbons.

 

[Tom Brennan]

It's also bullshit....but you knew that.

Bullshit indeed. Some folks have used the term "hyperbole" but that's just a euphemism for bullshit (which is itself a euphemism for lie).

Interesting too that some excuse Carver by claiming we shouldn't take the claim of no distortion at face value; that he doesn't mean the things he says and we should respectfully expect and excuse that. Despite the disrespect shown us by his doing so.

 

[SleeperSupra]

Mr Carver didn't start this thread.

 

[Sir Terrence]

This speaker looks like a bunch of Sunfire CRM-2 stack on top of each other.

Stacked line array are the new in vogue in speaker design these days. We are now seeing them crop up in a few high end professional theaters.

Audiophiles always mock horn loaded speakers as PA speakers, but line arrays built in this fashion comes directly from current PA speaker design. Ironic...

 

[JonVH]

To my knowledge, the ribbons were done the same way (custom in China). Perhaps the manufacturer sells them to Dayton Audio, I don't know. It was my understanding that the Sunfire ribbons were a higher wattage rating than the Dayton ribbons, but I can't confirm at this time.

What I DO know is that many a "golden-eared" naysayer has crapped on Bob's designs & turned out looking foolish~

The Dayton drivers are made by Swans and Usher Audio. Swans makes a series of woofers that challenge the sonic quality of Dynaudio, in fact Zaph said given the choice in underhung motor woofer designs, he would take a Swans Hi-Vi over a Morel or Dynaudio, and the measurements are public and support it. Even people who have used them described them as sounding like Dyn. Bob uses Swans Hi-Vi subwoofers, arguable as true of an audiophile subwoofer driver as has ever been made. In contrast, Swans ribbon tweeters are quite poor.

Bob does a good job looking silly himself. His past marketing buzzwords were ridiculous but humorous. A magazine did a review of his Amazings and said they sounded colored and ringy and slow in the bass, they measured them and sure enough...so the reviewer took tape and stuck it on the back of the ribbon, low and behold the resonance decreased notably. Why didn't bob think of that? It's subjective but my opinion is that I've never heard a ribbon I liked. And that's the thing- electrostatics like the Quads have notably low distortion- ribbons don't. For the price of a set of Quads, why would anyone bother with a ribbon?

 

[Sir Terrence]

Think of this times thirteen ...

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article/sunfire-cinema-ribbon-loudspeakers

I knew I was right

Gentlemen, I own 7 of the CRM-2, and these tiny speakers have a sound that will leave you breathless. 13 of these stacked will rock your very existence, that much is for sure.

The CRM-2 have a huge soundstage, but are very fussy speaker in terms of getting the height just right. When it is right, the sound is tight(I must be channeling Johnny Cochran). This line array will pretty much eliminate the height fussiness(is that a word?).

 

[egisjohn]

Stacked line array are the new in vogue in speaker design these days. We are now seeing them crop up in a few high end professional theaters.

Audiophiles always mock horn loaded speakers as PA speakers, but line arrays built in this fashion comes directly from current PA speaker design. Ironic...

New vogue? NOT. look at the infinity IRS-5. not new. But might be the best speaker ever. Bob also said the same thing at Carverfest.

 

[Sir Terrence]

Stacked line array are the new in vogue in speaker design these days. We are now seeing them crop up in a few high end professional theaters.

Audiophiles always mock horn loaded speakers as PA speakers, but line arrays built in this fashion comes directly from current PA speaker design. Ironic...

New vogue? NOT. look at the infinity IRS-5. not new. But might be the best speaker ever. Bob also sed the same thing at carverfest.[/QUOTE]

I didn't say the technology was new, I am alluding to the fact that I am seeing more line array speakers coming out now than I have ever seen before.

 

[mhardy6647]

All y'all know that Bob Carver is a member here, right?

yup (speaking only for myself).

 

[TNRabbit]

....A magazine did a review of his Amazings and said they sounded colored and ringy and slow in the bass, they measured them and sure enough...so the reviewer took tape and stuck it on the back of the ribbon, low and behold the resonance decreased notably. Why didn't bob think of that?

Have YOU heard them? Sounds like you do a lot of reading & believing...do you speak from actual experience on anything? :scratch2:

& Carver DID put several different devices (over the course of the different iterations) on the rear of the ribbon to reduce rear reflection, but I'm don't know if it was to also tame any resonance.

It must be awesome to be you! :thmbsp:




I just looked at your profile; it says "Friends - JonVH has not made any friends yet"

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[Dan ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ]

Okay, this thread has become nothing more than a us and them pissing match. I think both sides have made their point. Time to move on. Closed.