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Buyer with that age old remorse.

Cash in person deal. They listen to and were able before handing over cash...right?
This is a used item, not new with a manufacture warranty. Rather one with many hours of use.
Sometimes educating the ways of the world is left up to you. In these days where returning a purchase seems all to common. Teaching one that it is not always so will need to be done.
Sorry buyer time to put your big boy pants on and grow up...
 
I suppose spending $150 or so and having a quality tech inspect and write a report to be included with sale will become the norm.

Additionally, ALL SALES FINAL written on receipt and signed by both buyer and seller.
 
I agree with the post that stated once they opened it up without contacting you first voided any type of warranty on your part. I rarely buy used. And then only from well established companies or people I know very well. I only sell to a reseller that I have known for years and we trust each other completely.
I wish you well in this.
 
Semanon said:
How was payment made? If it was through certain online transaction services, you are probably screwed. Get out while the getting is good. Have him send it back, refund the money on receipt. Take yer lumps, cuz it ain’t going in the sellers favor. (Unless you sold it as-is/parts)

>>>>> If he paid you directly, tell he blew up his warranty when he or his shop opened it up without contacting you, just like any manufacturer. <<<<<<
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I've seen this scam before. He is looking to recoup some or all of his money from the purchase. The buyer gets a repair estimate from a local shop (possibly owned by a friend) and wants the seller to pay for the refurbishment of the item, essentially restoring it. The seller then agrees to reimburse the buyer. The buyer then pockets the money, and sells off the amp again, as-is, (not repaired) making money off the whole endeavor.

If it was a cash-in-person deal, just explain to him that you can't warranty a used item when you are not a manufacturer or retailer and that you didn't receive a warranty when you purchased it, (unless you purchased it new back in the day), so how could you provide him with a warranty? If he doesn't like the amplifier, he's free resell it where he is, in his local market.

I wouldn't sweat this.

**Edit** With regards to online payment types, Zelle is the safest if you are a seller. It is essentially a bank wire transfer, is non-reversible and not tied to any credit card. Venmo, Paypal, Cashapp, etc are all funded by a CC that you attach to the account and purchases can be disputed/ reversed by a buyer, screwing the seller. There is a limit to Zelle on the first transaction between parties, which I believe is $1500. If you try to conduct a transaction larger than that, and it's the first one between parties, they (Zelle and the banks) will place a hold on it for 2-3 days before finalizing the transaction. Cash in person is always the best, in my opinion.
 
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He knows enough to buy a high quality vintage tube amp, so he should know buying vintage items aren’t like buying new. Like others have posted, inform him that buying used items don’t come with warranties, or money back especially to restore them for the buyer.

Tell him all that you’ve posted here about it and it sounds like he needs educated some about basic tube knowledge with him saying, “the silver flash is tube burn.”

Explain to him that you have some electronics knowledge and it was in good operating condition when he received it and especially now that he took it to a repair place which has been inside of it you have no way of knowing what they did to it. At this point, he made the decision to take it to a repair shop and it’s his to do as he feels he needs to.

He’s been informed from the repair shop about its high repair cost and wants you to assist him in paying with a partial refund, or take it back with a total refund. Of course the repair shop wants the job with payment, so they clearly have their incentives.

Tell him he should have contacted you about his concerns before taking it to a repair shop and you two could have discussed it more. It taking him two weeks is somewhat concerning too, because when I buy something I plug and play it as soon as I can which is usually the same day and his two week period to contact you could lean towards a buyers remorse period and the fact that he never listened to it is odd too.

Be polite with your replies to him, because you never know what people are like.
 
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Private sale. Cash sale. That's caveat emptor (buyer beware). Its done. As long as you represented it accurately (ie: to the best of your knowledge) and didn’t lie to him, he owns it.

Same as buying at a flea market. Once you walk away with the item, you own it. Good or bad.

Tell him to go away and stop bothering you.

Or if you’re so inclined, offer him a refund for the return of the item, minus a fee for having someone else mucking around in it. Mostly because you are on the other end of caveat emptor at that point and you know they’ve been inside it.

You’re not getting back the same item you sold him, they’ve altered it even if they only opened it and did nothing.

Basically, you don’t know what they did.

Hell, for all you know, they opened it, swapped good tubes for bad and are now trying to get their money back. Basically, trying to steal your good tubes.

Personally, I wouldn’t do a damned thing for him. He bought it, he took it apart, he owns it.

Cut off contact if he insists on making a big deal of it…..some people just don’t get it. You’re not a store with a 30 day return policy. Private sales are final once cash and product passes hands.
 
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I guess the upshot is:

- Educate the buyer on the unit and what the details mean. If expectations seem too high, then be sure to lower them.

- Mark any receipt as 'Sale As-Is with all faults.' If they balk at this, they are probably not the buyer you want.
 
Semanon said:
You are in the drivers seat, then. I mean, there are ways to go about returning things, and having some unknown tech poking around ain’t it.

He is never going to be happy now unless you refund his money, but who knows what the tech did.
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Right.. yeah and i didnt want to blow out the repair shop just cuz
Mister Pig said:
Thing is the shop may very well be correct.

If these are original or near original tubes that could very well be correct tests. Would be nice to know the numbers and what tester was used. Even so, a lower output reading means the tubes were used and have only a percentage of lifespan left. That does not mean they are on deaths doorstep. Also premier old school manufactures are known for their tubes having higher sound quality over many new production tubes.

Secondly, has the amp ever been refreshed/rebuilt? If not it's certainly possible it's due. It was originally released in 1961 till 1972. A commemorative version was released in 2007. If it's an original one a rebuild may very well be needed.

Now these are questions a buyer should ask. Once you are satisfied and take it there are no do overs. That is the rules of the market place with used gear. Want return privileges, then buy from a retail dealer.

Finally, this is why I quiz my buyers to know what their experience level is. If they don't have much or any experience sometimes I will discourage them from buying something that they are in over their head with. I also reach out and follow up with them so I can nip anything in the bud. So far I have been fortunate.
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This was the Commemorative Editiion so 1993ish. I did talk to the tech and he said a capacitor needed replaced which I understand. It wasnt totally blown but ready.
My issue was the tubes. He kept saying that the writing is missing so its def been overused. Of course it means they have been handled a bit but in my experieince, those lettering will rub off real easy. its like he was measuring the tube health by the amount of lettering gone.
The big issue i have is that they thought the getter was a sign of overuse. He said either they were left on for years or way overdriven. I think he has no idea what hes talking about. Did you happen to check the video.

Link
 
Megaladoink said:
Correct about the tubes having "Halo Effect"?
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Read what I wrote it's explained in the following sentences.

Your following post talks about capacitors showing an issue. But for an amp that's 30 years old that is not unexpected.

Missing tube lettering, once again not unexpected. If these are original as a buyer I expect them to be near end of lifespan but if usable that's just a bonus.

It's been awhile since I dealt with tubes but I do seem to remember that many newer tubes no longer use flashing, or it's not prominent. If the tech said this a discussion is needed. Once again, I would want to know if they were really tested or someone is spit balling.
 
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funny thing, i was calling a friend and accidentally called the buyer... oops, and was just like man.. i dont know what to say.. did you actually play it? "no". did the techs test the audio..."no".... i explained what a getters purpose is and that honestly i think the tech dudes dont know what they are talking about even though they are 'Mcintosh car audio repair' certified. He was like..."I trust what the certified Mcintosh guys are telling me and i don't know much about tubes.and the tubes I have don't have that silver stuff on the side.....the guys there said the seller should at least buy some new tubes"..I had a good chuckle
 
tourmax said:
Was it working when you sold it? Did you misrepresent it? Did he ask any questions and did you lie about it?

No?

Then the sale is complete.

End of story.
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It was working like.
tourmax said:
Was it working when you sold it? Did you misrepresent it? Did he ask any questions and did you lie about it?

No?

Then the sale is complete.

End of story.
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yeah it was running like a champ. Let me post a vid too

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Megaladoink said:
funny thing, i was calling a friend and accidentally called the buyer... oops, and was just like man.. i dont know what to say.. did you actually play it? "no". did the techs test the audio..."no".... i explained what a getters purpose is and that honestly i think the tech dudes dont know what they are talking about even though they are 'Mcintosh car audio repair' certified. He was like..."I trust what the certified Mcintosh guys are telling me and i don't know much about tubes.and the tubes I have don't have that silver stuff on the side.....the guys there said the seller should at least buy some new tubes"..I had a good chuckle
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Have him call Mac itself I would think. But this is why I vet buyers. LOL.
 
Mister Pig said:
Read what I wrote it's explained in the following sentences.

Your following post talks about capacitors showing an issue. But for an amp that's 30 years old that is not unexpected.

Missing tube lettering, once again not unexpected. If these are original as a buyer I expect them to be near end of lifespan but if usable that's just a bonus.

It's been awhile since I dealt with tubes but I do seem to remember that many newer tubes no longer use flashing, or it's not prominent. If the tech said this a discussion is needed. Once again, I would want to know if they were really tested or someone is spit balling.
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what the hell is halo effect?
 
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