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Can a DAC this cheap really be this good? Yes it can! (…but with a little effort.)

oranda

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There are several reports about the under $100, ultra-compact SMSL SU-1 being a fantastic audio bargain. After reading/watching a few online reviews, I purchased a couple of them to try out with the intention of modifying one to see if any improvements over the stock unit were possible. I am happy to report that the SU-1 responds extremely well to modifications and has very much exceeded my expectation as to what is possible for a budget DAC. Summarized briefly, to get the SU-1 to sound at home in even a multi-thousand dollar stereo system, you'll need to:
  • Power it using a high quality 5VDC linear, regulated power supply
  • Upgrade the onboard opamp to a Nisshinbo Micro Devices MUSES02
First off, it should be noted that in stock form, the SMSL SU-1 is pleasant sounding device, albeit somewhat lacking in refinement and tonal richness. It features a cutting edge and very interesting Asahi Kasei Microdevices AK4493SEQ 32-bit, 2-channel chip. This DAC chip is part of AKM’s new and well-regarded Velvet Sound brand and sits one step below the flagship AK4499EX. Whether due to its implementation or the AK4493SEQ DAC itself, the SU-1 doesn’t have the pronounced digital glare of many modern DACs. Removing the 4 machine screws on the back panel and taking off the top of the chassis reveals an inexpensively built but rather stout SMT-based board that features either an OPA1612 or LME49720 output opamp depending on production run. Both opamps are generally well-liked and made by TI.

Now the SU-1 does not come with a power supply when purchased new. Those of you who might have read my Hagerman Bugle modification thread know I’m a fan of high quality, linear, regulated power supplies. Of course, I am not the first person to suggest this as an upgrade, but I can report that the SU-1 responds beautifully to being run on good quality power. I am presently using an Elenco XP-100 Deluxe Battery Eliminator, but any good 5VDC, 1A or greater linear regulated supply should produce great results. I found these outperform good quality, inexpensive switch-mode power supplies (like the Apple 20W USB-C power adapter) by a fair degree with the SU-1. The XP-100 also (surprisingly) outperforms my portable USB rechargeable power bank. While the SU-1’s output is very quiet using batteries, it lacks the drive and dynamics that are present with the XP-100. Also the XP-100 has sufficiently low noise to not adversely affect playback. It should be known that many DC power supplies use a 5.5 x 2.1mm plug, so in this case a DC 5521 female to USB Type C male plug adapter cable is needed: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CR4B1YM7?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_10&th=1

The next modification involves removing the onboard SMD opamp and installing an 8-pin DIP to SOIC adapter like the one available at Cimarron Technology: https://www.cimarrontechnology.com/product/dip-soic-adapter-8-pin. This is a slightly tricky procedure made easier by purchasing a hot air rework soldering station. If the adapter from Cimarron Technology is ordered with a DIP socket installed, a wide variety of opamps can be installed and tested for sonic compatibility with the SU-1. To that end and after many listening sessions with several different opamps, I am quite impressed with how the SU-1 sounds with a Nisshinbo Micro Devices MUSES02 opamp: extremely smooth, highly detailed, and with a magnificent rendering of voices. Best of all, there is virtually no digital glare, to the point where I sometimes forget I am listening to a digital source.

If you happen to be in the market for a new DAC and are handy with soldering SMDs, consider purchasing the SU-1 and performing the above mods. Also if you do, let us know how it goes. The SU-1 pairing with the MUSES02 opamp is so good you may find it to be your new favorite DAC. At present, I am using both the coaxial and optical inputs of my DAC (slightly preferring the coaxial) and as time permits I will start working on using the USB input. At minimum, this will require the use of a split cable that has a line for a separate DC input similar to the Ghent Audio U22 cable, but with a USB C connector. (https://ghentaudio.com/products/u22?VariantsId=12991,12993)

If you require a remote, the SMSL C100 is virtually the same DAC as the SU-1 but with a remote. Performing the same upgrades yields similar and substantial sonic benefits. Comparing the two, I find the modded SU-1 sounds a touch better, but the convenience of a remote may offset that small benefit. Lastly, due to the number of counterfeits, I purchased my MUSES02 directly from Mouser Electronics and would recommend anyone interested to make sure they are buying opamps from a reputable dealer or they might not get the same benefit described here.

I would like to send a huge thanks to @desertrat748 and @knotscott for testing out the different variations of the SU-1 and providing their extremely valuable feedback. I’m sure they will be active in replies to offer their long term testing opinions. Thanks for reading!!
 
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I tried to give a like but it wouldn’t let me. So I’m just going to say that you are amazing and I can’t believe how good the SU-1 performs.

I have both an unmodified SU-1 with opa1612 in stock from and one with the Muses02 installed. Thank you Orando. In stock form its quite good and then turns absolutely amazing once your suggested mods were implemented. If there is one mod that anyone can do to improve their system that is a sure thing, it’s this.

I definitely have to say thank you for including me along for this project. I never thought I’d ever get into digital anywhere near this level.

I seldom played a CD or streamed prior to purchasing the SU-1. Now I can’t stop. Literally listening every day and some just sitting down for a few hours in the evening. I just purchased another 15 CDs and some at under 5 bucks.

The stereo separation is absolutely incredible. I think it adds a lot to the experience. The richness of the vocals cannot be understated. Detail is incredible. Basically everything you’ve stated and more.

It is night and day from any internal DAC. Guaranteed sonic enjoyment. Ease of use. Inexpensive prices of CD. What is not to love about it?

Can’t believe this is real.
 
Great thread, and great mod for such a low cost DAC. After my Topping E30 bit the dust last fall, I tried a handful of affordable DACs, and even considered the more expensive E70 Velvet. Several positive reviews about the SU-1 drew my interest, but wanted a remote. After discovering that the C100 appeared to be much the same circuit as the SU-1, I contacted oranda to get his thoughts (because he was spot on with my Bugle 3 mods). Turns out it was doable.

In its stock form the C100 is surprisingly good....not so different than my E30. With the new MUSES02 opamp, and the a DIY linear regulated power supply, there's little question that the hot rodded C100 (SU-1 w/remote) is simply more refined. It's not subtle. My system has evolved nicely in the past few years, and step by step it's become a very clear, very refined musical system. Saying that I'm impressed with the little modded SMSL is an understatement. As stated, there's none of the very common digital glare, but has excellent resolution. Vocals are just lush, and the separation is attention grabbing. Even one my sons noticed when he was at the house playing his phone through the Bluetooth. This is a highly recommended mod.

Many thanks to Tony for all his research and work. What can I say...the man has talent!
 
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Thank you both! You are too kind a I am very glad the DACs are working so well for you. Another point of interest is that before I started using the upgraded SU-1, I found internet radio streams basically unlistenable. Obviously 128 and 192kbps still leave a lot to be desired when compared to CD, but the AK4493SEQ + MUSES02 combo makes even lower quality streams sound good enough that I can begin to turn my attention more towards the content than the bitrate. I might even consider one of the high res services at some point, but I probably want to start ripping my vinyl and CD's onto a server to make those more accessible first.
 
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I purchased one of these a few weeks ago before the price jumped from $63 to $80. After playing around with it for a week, I disconnected it, and it's sitting in its box.

I listen to FLAC files from my PC through a pair of Yamaha studio monitors and headphones. The setup was simple. Plug the supplied USB cable into the PC and download the driver. Run the output to the speakers.

It does sound great. However, there is a ground loop issue that creates an incredible amount of noise. The first thing I did was to delete the driver and reinstall it, and there was no change. I then tried an optical connection only to find out there isn't one on the PC. Seems there are very few new PC's built these days that have one.

When I have time, I am going to have to see if it is from a ground loop with electrical cords.

Any ideas?
 
This is the first DAC I have purchased, and I just use it with the USB input from an old phone with tidal. I reckon I ought to get a streamer or a computer to use with this dac. I am super interested in giving a new op amp a try, has anyone tried the sparkos labs op amps with this dac yet? I have only heard good things about their chips. I might have to give it a go.

Do y'all reckon it would be worth getting a usb-c to coaxial adapter so I can still use my phone for streaming while taking advantage of a separate power source?
 
I am super interested in giving a new op amp a try, has anyone tried the sparkos labs op amps with this dac yet? I have only heard good things about their chips. I might have to give it a go.
Good question and not to my knowledge. Fitting a Sparkos discrete opamp in the limited space of the SU-1 will take a bit of work, then there is the cost which is almost double the price of the MUSES02. Plus the match between the MUSES02 and the SU-1 is really good. That said, it would be an interesting thing to try.
Do y'all reckon it would be worth getting a usb-c to coaxial adapter so I can still use my phone for streaming while taking advantage of a separate power source?
That would be a great way to do it if you can find a good translator (something like the SMSL PO100 Pro?) There are a few other options. One that comes mind if you have an android: you might consider a BT receiver with coaxial/toslink out that runs the LDAC codec. While you will take a bit of a loss in resolution vs CD quality (990 kbps vs 1411kbps), the convenience of wireless is nice. If you have a very high res source (like 24/96 or 24/192) the translator would probably be the better choice.
 
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It does sound great. However, there is a ground loop issue that creates an incredible amount of noise...

I then tried an optical connection only to find out there isn't one on the PC. Seems there are very few new PC's built these days that have one.

When I have time, I am going to have to see if it is from a ground loop with electrical cords.

Any ideas?
Yeah, ground loops between computers and DACs are pretty common. Are all your devices connected to the same power strip? If not, that's a good place to start. Beyond that there are a fair number of different options. Take a look at my earlier reply. Have you looked into the SMSL PO100 devices? They will convert USB to Toslink. Never tried one and the pro version gets good reviews, but the $40 2024 version might be sufficient. I'm sure there are other similar devices out there. Good luck!!
 
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Yeah, ground loops between computers and DACs are pretty common. Are all your devices connected to the same power strip? If not, that's a good place to start. Beyond that there are a fair number of different options. Take a look at my earlier reply. Have you looked into the SMSL PO100 devices? They will convert USB to Toslink. Never tried one and the pro version gets good reviews, but the $40 2024 version might be sufficient. I'm sure there are other similar devices out there. Good luck!!

Thanks. The PO100 will not help as the Toslink is the problem. Evidently PC makers haved tossed that technology as I cannot find a new machine that includes one. My PC is two years old and is a mid-range Dell business machine. Sigh.
 
I have a question about inputs on my SMSL C100. I connect my CD player with a coax cable, and run the custom linear regulated power supply through the USB-C input via an adapter. With the USB-C input occupied, is there another way I can access digital files like Spotify and Qobuz with my PC, without using Bluetooth?

(ok...2 questions...) Could that USB-C input handle a power and signal input at the same time if I put a splitter on it? (I'm guessing "no", but thought I'd ask)

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Oranda is at it again! I have followed the Bugle thread and implemented many of his recommended mods.
This DAC project looks like fun. I'm wondering if you have found a transport that is in the same giant-killer category as this modded DAC?
 
Thanks. The PO100 will not help as the Toslink is the problem. Evidently PC makers haved tossed that technology as I cannot find a new machine that includes one. My PC is two years old and is a mid-range Dell business machine. Sigh.
For what it's worth there are a ton of new motherboards that have optical out for both Intel and AMD. I am partial to Micro Center but Newegg's site as well allows you to filter by motherboards that have that on board.
 
Thanks. The PO100 will not help as the Toslink is the problem. Evidently PC makers haved tossed that technology as I cannot find a new machine that includes one. My PC is two years old and is a mid-range Dell business machine. Sigh.
The PO100 outputs Toslink by using the USB output from your computer. This gets you Toslink functionality without having to buy a computer that has it installed. You can then take the Toslink out from the PO100 and run it into the (preferably modded) SU-1. Hope this helps!
 
This DAC project looks like fun. I'm wondering if you have found a transport that is in the same giant-killer category as this modded DAC?
Excellent to see you here and great question. I am very partial to (especially older) Sony SACD players and think they do a great job as transports. I used a DVP-S9000ES DVD/CD player for years and it was brilliant as a transport. It weighed close to 30lbs and looked amazing. That said, older S9000ES players are flaky when it comes to reading SACDs and nice examples are pricey.

I am presently using a Sony DVP-NC80V and they typically go for less then the price of an SU-1. While the flagship 9000ES was slightly better, the NC80V is still very good and is better at reading SACDs. The other, slightly pricier NC models might be as good if not better, but I have yet to try them. I've been eying down the DVP-NC555ES for some time, but haven't pulled the trigger on getting one. Both NC series players I mentioned are 5 disk carousels with coax and optical outs. The Sony CE SACD models are older and only have optical out, so I prefer the NC series.
 
I have a question about inputs on my SMSL C100. I connect my CD player with a coax cable, and run the custom linear regulated power supply through the USB-C input via an adapter. With the USB-C input occupied, is there another way I can access digital files like Spotify and Qobuz with my PC, without using Bluetooth?

(ok...2 questions...) Could that USB-C input handle a power and signal input at the same time if I put a splitter on it? (I'm guessing "no", but thought I'd ask)

If you get a cable like the Ghent Audio U22 linked in the first post, you can run power to the SU-1 while still accessing the USB port. If you write them and request it, Ghent Audio can change the connector(s) to USB C so its compatible with the SU-1 without another adapter. That said, word on the street is the USB input is not as good (noisier) as the coaxial and optical. As mentioned, I only briefly played with the USB input and need a chance to test it out with an externally routed power supply. If you do get the U22 or something similar, please let us know how it goes!
 
If you get a cable like the Ghent Audio U22 linked in the first post, you can run power to the SU-1 while still accessing the USB port. If you write them and request it, Ghent Audio can change the connector(s) to USB C so its compatible with the SU-1 without another adapter. That said, word on the street is the USB input is not as good (noisier) as the coaxial and optical. As mentioned, I only briefly played with the USB input and need a chance to test it out with an externally routed power supply. If you do get the U22 or something similar, please let us know how it goes!

Great...Thank you. Guess if I'd read all the words in the first post, I could have answered my question!
 
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