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Can't Fix My Sibilance (Two Year Struggle!!!)

I'm very excited for the original poster, especially now that I know that he's a teenager. It's such a different world now than when I went down this path as a 13 year old girl. I was into the usual teen girl stuff, except where my friends were listening to Shaun Cassidy on their craptastic plastic record ruiners, I was into really cool album rock and upper-end stereo gear. I devoured issues of Stereo Review and Audio magazines, which is where I learned what all the specifications meant, and how to set up a turntable, and how Dolby worked, and all sorts of wonderful stuff. For this young lad, there's YouTube and various how-to videos...some good, some misleading, some awful. How fortunate he is to have found AK.

When we do get this problem isolated and fixed, he's going to have something that 99% of his peers don't have...a very nice audio setup. No earbuds and mp3's for this kid! :D
 
I'm very excited for the original poster, especially now that I know that he's a teenager. It's such a different world now than when I went down this path as a 13 year old girl. I was into the usual teen girl stuff, except where my friends were listening to Shaun Cassidy on their craptastic plastic record ruiners, I was into really cool album rock and upper-end stereo gear. I devoured issues of Stereo Review and Audio magazines, which is where I learned what all the specifications meant, and how to set up a turntable, and how Dolby worked, and all sorts of wonderful stuff. For this young lad, there's YouTube and various how-to videos...some good, some misleading, some awful. How fortunate he is to have found AK.

When we do get this problem isolated and fixed, he's going to have something that 99% of his peers don't have...a very nice audio setup. No earbuds and mp3's for this kid! :D

So that avatar isn't a photo of you handing the record by its grooves?:rflmao:

Yes I do know its not a 12" record. But still.....proper record etiquette is a must.

Regards
Mister Pig
 
So that avatar isn't a photo of you handing the record by its grooves?:rflmao:

Yes I do know its not a 12" record. But still.....proper record etiquette is a must.

Regards
Mister Pig
...there's a record in Dusty's avatar??? ;)
 
So, after looking at the table a bit more this weekend... After everything, especially after the serious distortion problems I've had... I noticed the table WASN'T LEVEL!!! It still doesn't fix the sibilance though, the pre amp should... The Pyle sounds like garbage now that it's finally aligned... I feel stupid... Real quick though... I bought that cart via recommendation. Don't forget though, the cart was $16, but, the new Stylus was $90. I decided to go with the genuine stylus instead of the copy from TTN...
 
So, after looking at the table a bit more this weekend... After everything, especially after the serious distortion problems I've had... I noticed the table WASN'T LEVEL!!! It still doesn't fix the sibilance though, the pre amp should... The Pyle sounds like garbage now that it's finally aligned... I feel stupid... Real quick though... I bought that cart via recommendation. Don't forget though, the cart was $16, but, the new Stylus was $90. I decided to go with the genuine stylus instead of the copy from TTN...

Personally I doubt a phono stage is going to be a cause of sibilance, but that is just my opinion. At least you should get better sound quality, and know what is possible with the different phono stage. I would bet money on the cartridge alignment being the issue. Either that, or a dirty stylus.

Any chance you could describe what alignment procedure you went through this time? If you didn't change it, I would say that is the issue, as your last description was of a method that was not very precise as I recall. And how do you clean your stylus and vinyl?

Regards
Mister Pig
 
I'm very excited for the original poster, especially now that I know that he's a teenager. It's such a different world now than when I went down this path as a 13 year old girl. I was into the usual teen girl stuff, except where my friends were listening to Shaun Cassidy on their craptastic plastic record ruiners, I was into really cool album rock and upper-end stereo gear. I devoured issues of Stereo Review and Audio magazines, which is where I learned what all the specifications meant, and how to set up a turntable, and how Dolby worked, and all sorts of wonderful stuff. For this young lad, there's YouTube and various how-to videos...some good, some misleading, some awful. How fortunate he is to have found AK.

When we do get this problem isolated and fixed, he's going to have something that 99% of his peers don't have...a very nice audio setup. No earbuds and mp3's for this kid! :D
Thank you so much for the kind words, unfortunately, when I speak to my peers about all of this, they just smile nod, and call me crazy. My parents are the worst about it though, they get the music, that's cool to them, but they think I'm mentally deranged about all of this distortion... They think it sounds "great." Also, to regard another post about a friend with a turntable, unfortunately, the only friend with a turntable I have, has a Crosley, so it doesn't quite count...
Thanks to YouTube as well, I fixed those speakers I listed at the beginning of the post, there was a buzzing, in the midrange speaker... I (sort of) knew what I was doing, so (no YouTube yet) I took each cone off, and found a "twist-tie" stuck to the midrange speaker's magnet... After that, I moved onto the thing that needed real repair, a tear in the surround... I found this on YouTube, to fix this, rip a paper towel into its individual layers, then, carefully glue it on... It actually worked perfectly! I can send pictures if you guys would like.
Seeing as how I've "revealed" that I am a teen. Most would think I'm kind of a jerk (to use a light word) about my vinyl. Saying things such as, "I only listen to vinyl," or "you aren't cool unless you do" (these are very broad descriptions, but, they suffice.) That ain't me... When I was very small, 4, 5, 6, I was extremely close with my Grandfather. I would stay overnight at my grandparents often. Any time I would go over there, after a couple hours, I would say "Papa, can we go listen to the tiny records?" He would grab a cigar, and his bottle of Jim Beam, and I would grab an apple juice, and a Swiss Roll... (It's the same thing) we would go down, and he would break out the stack... He would let me choose the records to play, which would always be the same two, The Ventures- Walk Don't Run (Flip-side "The McCoy") and Dueling Banjos. We would just sit and tell stories for hours, just listening to these "tiny records." As we did it more and more, he broke out the LP's, the soundtrack to Easy Rider, Kenny Rogers The Gambler, and Johnny Cash at Folsom Prison. Finally, the final LP... "Live Bullet" a pure masterpiece, since I'm in the Metro Detroit area. He passed on when I was eight... When I was twelve, I finally got the nerve to ask Grandma if she wanted to go play some "Tiny Records for awhile." The next month was my birthday. She gave me the TEAC... And the awesome records that came with it. I played it everyday getting ready for school for years... After noticing the needle was worn, as described earlier, I stopped playing records for about a year. Next thing i knew, it was junior year, and there was a problem with the basement bathroom... That's where I found the Pioneer. On the floor in the bathroom. Turns out, my Dad bought it from a guy who took it with him to Vietnam. He bought it in a set, with the original receiver (I need to track one down, Dad sold it) and a Reel to Reel (the R2R is a massive story in itself) I spent the next couple days restoring the turntable visually. Cleaning the dust cover, wood plinth, and re-oiling everything within. I tracked down the instruction manual, and found it was complete. Finally, the moment of truth, I plugged it in... And it spun up and was perfectly on speed. I've since replaced the belt, cart, and stylus... But the thing works like a charm. I like the story behind it. There have been many people that have told me to sell it, and stop dealing with all of these problems with it, I said no. It has a story, and I intend to keep it to make more stories.
Anyways, I would also like to thank all of you within AudioKarma. Since it's my senior year, and I'm graduating in a few short months, I will be going to college to become an Audio Engineer... Thank all of you for your hands in my interest towards this.

Sorry for the novel of a post, but, I figured I would share my story out.
 
Personally I doubt a phono stage is going to be a cause of sibilance, but that is just my opinion. At least you should get better sound quality, and know what is possible with the different phono stage. I would bet money on the cartridge alignment being the issue. Either that, or a dirty stylus.

Any chance you could describe what alignment procedure you went through this time? If you didn't change it, I would say that is the issue, as your last description was of a method that was not very precise as I recall. And how do you clean your stylus and vinyl?

Regards
Mister Pig
Alright, let me see if I can jot down my aligning technique... My fingers hurt after that last post... I bought a digital scale a year ago, I put the needle on it, and move the weight around until it reads 2.5. No, I don't mean spin the counterweight, I actually mean moving it back and forth, I believe my table is missing a weight on the back... If I click the weight to where it tells me to in the instruction book, it puts enough leverage on the Tonearm to send it flying skyward, instead of "float gently." I then get the protractor out. I make sure the cantavlier (I believe that's how it's spelled) is parallel, and goes across the line perfectly. I then put the lateral weight (little cylinder) on the end of the (lateral weight bar) the way I saw it in the pictures. Finally, I get the level out (this is a new addition) and check to make sure it's level.
I know the terms are rudimentary, and I'm sure some are quite amusing to some, I will learn, it just takes time, and willingness to do so...
That, is the (brutally honest) way I align my cart...
I must have done something correctly, as, since the level correction, the distortion is completely gone. Which makes me wonder about the PC-35, how that may sound with the new improvements. I think this curiosity may have to wait though, as, I'm finally dialed in, and I would prefer to leave it alone. Unfortunately, I'm cursed with curiosity, as my father calls it. I can never leave something alone, there's always something that can be improved. People tell me this is a good thing, but it's brought me more frustration than happiness.

I forgot to mention that I set my (newly fixed) anti-bias dial to "2."
 
Hard to follow the thread but wanted to chime in and say your table is a pretty one. One of my tables I fought with over sibilance as well, I eventually gave up and used a different deck and have been happy with it since.

Don't forget there are some low-tech ways to adjust the VTA. You can change or modify the platter mat, higher or lower as needed. Adhesive backed cork liner from local Home Depot can be used to raise a mat on the cheap. There are also headshell shims or weights you can use between the cart and headshell, you can get creative here or search ebay.
Thank you for the real opinion on the table! I posted on a little website called Reddit about it, asking just for a review, and was told to buy a Crosley instead. Bright ones indeed.
 
I'm a little confused on your methodology in setting the weight on your turntable. You have a Pioneer PL-50, correct?

Your first step should be to align the cartridge. As you move the cartridge forward and back in the headshell, it's going to change the tracking force and point of balance...so set this first (1), using the protractor.

Next, set your tracking force by first rotating the counterweight (2) in or out until the arm balances level. (Figure 2). Then turn the counterweight and numbered dial *together* until it reaches your desired tracking force, try 1.75 grams for starters. Finally, set your antiskate to match your tracking force (3)

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Figure 2:
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I'm a little confused on your methodology in setting the weight on your turntable. You have a Pioneer PL-50, correct?

Your first step should be to align the cartridge. As you move the cartridge forward and back in the headshell, it's going to change the tracking force and point of balance...so set this first (1), using the protractor.

Next, set your tracking force by first rotating the counterweight (2) in or out until the arm balances level. (Figure 2). Then turn the counterweight and numbered dial *together* until it reaches your desired tracking force, try 1.75 grams for starters. Finally, set your antiskate to match your tracking force (3)

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Figure 2:
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I check the tracking force multiple times, throughout the process, I just jotted them down quickly. Also, sort of off track, but I didn't know the factory painted the numbers on the speed selector. I may have to look into painting those white. I keep an extremely steady hand. I appreciate the order, I will keep it in mind once I try out my PC-35. I have full confidence I have aligned this correctly. My distortion has disappeared. Just the audio quality itself remains. That Pyle sounds terrible.

I can tell my distortion's gone, simply by putting on my headphones, I've never been able to listen to my records with them on before without distortion. Now, as said before, only the audio quality remains.
 
Align cantilever instead of cart? I will try this!
You perform alignment without the platter spinning. So I make sure the cantilever is straight and the stylus tip is straight (25X loupe). Then by default, checking the cartridge is parallel to the grid lines, with stylus tip in the crosshairs, is the same as checking the cantilever. Amazing how many tips are slightly rotated left or right (azimuth is off).

I always set tracking force to correct amount prior to checking/setting alignment. You need that to put the stylus in the crosshairs of the protractor. Once alignment is correct, check VTF and fine tune it. It won’t be off by much.
 
I don't bother with the parallel grid lines. Just make sure the cantilever follows fore and aft grid lines. There's a way to check azimuth with a DMM if you have one. Alogn cartridge with AS on zero.
 
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