Chorus, Heresy III, or Forte II
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moray james
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them's all different so what do you want the new (to you) speakers for and to do? What do you want to achieve response wise and level wise and what are you planning to run them with? Those are all nice speakers but you forgot the KLF20 and the CF3 them's are even better. You have a great problem to solve. I suggest you listen to each of these and then you can make the right decision on your own. Hope this helps. Best regards Moray James.
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bryblob
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If it were me it would be the Forte II end of story. The forte and chorus are closer soundwise than the Heresy, with the Heresy being less prominent with the bass. This guy above knows a lot, I would try to let him know what your goal is soundwise and I'm sure he can help more than me.
njcanuck
aka: MacGyver
My experience is with Chorus Is and IIs and Heresy IIs. Since you are used to Fortes, I think you'll miss the bass in Heresys. Chorus are great speakers but really need a good sized room to sound their best. They were fantastic in my 20x30 family room but not so great in my 12x10 office. Heresys on the other hand, worked pretty well in the office.
So factor room size into your decision. Hope that helps.
So factor room size into your decision. Hope that helps.
I'll go with the Forte II's. Smaller footprint than the Chorus, and quit a bit more bass than the Heresy. I sure do love mine. :yes:
I do agree that room size does/will make a difference.
I do agree that room size does/will make a difference.
moray james
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What is it that you are looking for? Chorus ll has a much better professional quality woofer and the Chorus ll essentially replaced the Cornwall. Have you taken the time to decide what size woofer that you prefer the most? This is important. I happen to like the sound of ten inch woofers myself. So in your mind what is it that constitutes an upgrade? What is it that you are looking to achieve? What is it that you want your next loudspeaker to do that your Forte ll don't? A Forte ll has deeper extension than a Chorus Cornwall or Khorn. please not I said deeper, the other speakers in their band can play louder but not deeper. If you want improved spatial stage and image then go with the much better and newer horn designs like the CF3 or CF4 or even a KLF30. Two 12 inch woofers will push 1.5 times as much air as a single 15 inch woofer can so if moving air is what you want. But you need to decide what it is that you want. Hope this provides some food for thought. Best regards Moray James.
MJ, you took the words right outa my mouth. The Cll does not have a much bigger footprint either, couple inches both ways. Your right about chorus taking the place of the cw"s also, cant get nothin by you lol
moray james
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Ha you are simply not watching I make mistakes more than I care to admit. Chorus ll is nice loudspeaker and you can squeeze out 3-4 more Hz bass extension by simply adding some dead weight to the passive to re tune it a little lower. Nice horns. I would myself opt for a KLF20 or a CF3 but thats me if you want to push some serious air a set of KLF30 or CF4 will push more air than any single fifteen inch woofer but remember the CF Epic series while rated high as efficiency goes really do need some available poser to sing. They all have similar foot prints with the newer designs turned sideways to make them visually slim. I like smaller woofer for a number of reasons but they do come at a cost as well. Smaller woofer with big motors cost more but this is the second hand market so there is a big break there. Smaller woofers have smaller lighter cone which suffer far less break up, they have more power handling (in multiples) due to multiple coils and motor assemblies to sink heat, the have smaller stiffer more rigid basket assemblies. But the sound is not for everyone. Some just like the sound of a 12" or a 15" better. That's why I think it is important to decide what you like it make searching easier.
Lots of folks think that bass extension is the be all end all and that the lower a speaker goes the better. That's nice but moving air has a tremendous impact. That's why so many are so impressed with the bass of the Cornwall and Chorus. They don't go very low 40 ish Hz but they can move a lot of air and that is impressive to feel. You need to know that a single ten which extends to 32 Hz is not going to have the visceral impact of a twelve or a fifteen which only drops to 39 Hz. So you need to do some listening and decide what sonic and physical aspects of a given design actually work for you. The very best way to know and to find out is to buy and try as many as you can and then you will know for yourself. So many design compromises you need to experience them to know what really works for you. I think that contacting members in your area so that you can arrange to audition speakers you have not heard is a really good idea and can help to expose you to options you might not have considered. I am in Calgary for those who plan a trip north and west. Banff is only an hour away the Rockies are stunning. Very different here from say Montanan which is a very different and beautiful place too. Here you can hear super modified Heresy3 and KlF20 which are not your standard fair either. I may have a set of CF3 up and running by late summer with any luck. I like to modify so you won't hear much stock fair here. I hope that this stimulates some discussion and a few fresh ideas. Best regards Moray James.
Lots of folks think that bass extension is the be all end all and that the lower a speaker goes the better. That's nice but moving air has a tremendous impact. That's why so many are so impressed with the bass of the Cornwall and Chorus. They don't go very low 40 ish Hz but they can move a lot of air and that is impressive to feel. You need to know that a single ten which extends to 32 Hz is not going to have the visceral impact of a twelve or a fifteen which only drops to 39 Hz. So you need to do some listening and decide what sonic and physical aspects of a given design actually work for you. The very best way to know and to find out is to buy and try as many as you can and then you will know for yourself. So many design compromises you need to experience them to know what really works for you. I think that contacting members in your area so that you can arrange to audition speakers you have not heard is a really good idea and can help to expose you to options you might not have considered. I am in Calgary for those who plan a trip north and west. Banff is only an hour away the Rockies are stunning. Very different here from say Montanan which is a very different and beautiful place too. Here you can hear super modified Heresy3 and KlF20 which are not your standard fair either. I may have a set of CF3 up and running by late summer with any luck. I like to modify so you won't hear much stock fair here. I hope that this stimulates some discussion and a few fresh ideas. Best regards Moray James.
