Does Pro-Ject Debut Carbon DC have motor hum issues?

[runnin']

That's the worst place to have your speakers, right in the corners of the room like that. Other than that, I'm not going to take pictures of my gear so we can have a pissing contest. I'll stick to my simple point that Pro-ject does not have a 50% out-of-box failure rate, and far from it.

 

[4-2-7]

That's the worst place to have your speakers, right in the corners of the room like that. Other than that, I'm not going to take pictures of my gear so we can have a pissing contest. I'll stick to my simple point that Pro-ject does not have a 50% out-of-box failure rate, and far from it.

Should they be in the middle of the room? I can walk behind them is that to close to the wall? I wish I had a bigger house so I can listen to audio in all it's glory.

But why should I listen to your input? Have you listened to my system? Is yours similar? Your not willing to show us what your reference ponit is and what your working with to get hum free audio. It's only assumed you have a Project Carbon and thats it, well maybe. Lets see all your "New High End Audio" For all we know you have a iPod and earbuds which is fine if you like that but it's not a reference point to listen to vinyl playback and if your system is revealing enough to hear issues.

 

[4-2-7]

The hate going on is interesting. I find in this forum, the old school guys with their 30-40 year old equipment typically find that their stuff is better than anything produced today, and that goes for turntables as well. There's a lot of hate for certain brands too, and anything over $2-300 or so. And the rubbish found at Sally Ann is held up as pure gold around here and everyone claps. Sorry, but every now and then I can't help but LOL!

I'll stick to my simple point

But what about this point?

 

[4-2-7]

I guess runnin went running and doesn't want to stand by their assertion of the members here and the reputation of the Pro-Ject Debut Carbon DC.

While the table can and will make some people very happy it has had made many many unhappy with their purchases. By promoting only good reviews of the table will not help anyone like this OP in their dissection to purchase a new table.

 

[muovimies]

Nice system 4-2-7 but I don't see how it has anything to do with the Pro-Ject tables.

Reputation of a product is not only based on what the people who own one think about it, but also what people who have no experience with the table think. The latter have no basis for their opinion other than what they have read and gathered from that. Then these people spread their selective opinion with no first hand experience and things escalate. What would be interesting to hear is the opinion and experience of someone who actually has a lot of experience with Pro-Ject tables, like knowledgeable dealers who have set up a lot of these tables, their experience should actually tell something about how common or rare the hum issue for example is.

Probably the issue is/was somewhat common, because there's been enough reports that we now get claims like 50/50 chance - I suppose technically there's always a 50/50 chance, because when you buy something it either works like it should or doesn't... I have no idea on the actual numbers but I highly doubt 50% of the tables have been with issues. For one thing I've never read a review of any Pro-Ject table that mentioned such issues, but of course it's always possible the tables for reviews were cherry picked, depending where the reviewer got his sample from.

Also forums are generally negatively biased in cases like this - no problems is no news, so people generally don't go around the internet posting "I bought a new turntable and it has no issues" but turn to forums when they think there might be something wrong.

Just trying to provide some perspective because it seems discussions about Pro-Ject (and certain other brands) usually get very polarized here. The general opinion on Audiokarma regarding Pro-Ject tables seems very negative (apart from owners, most of whom actually seem pretty happy) comparing to other forums I frequently read.

Anyway, by now hopefully the issues have been fixed and potential buyers are aware of them, so that if there indeed is problems they know what's going on and know to take the table back.

 

[Jadran]

LOL Billy of the numbers is ''Dancing with myself'' in ''many many unrelated posts!

 

[Grbluen]

427, I lost your address. Please email me!

 

[4-2-7]

The hate going on is interesting. I find in this forum, the old school guys with their 30-40 year old equipment typically find that their stuff is better than anything produced today, and that goes for turntables as well. There's a lot of hate for certain brands too, and anything over $2-300 or so. And the rubbish found at Sally Ann is held up as pure gold around here and everyone claps. Sorry, but every now and then I can't help but LOL!

It's claimed I'm in denial because I don't think that 50% of Project Debut turntables have defective motors. I've already said that I know the Pro-ject Debut is a design with various compromises, but there is no evidence of a 50% failure rate. I've repeatedly asked for documented proof of this, since if that were the case Pro-ject would have gone bankrupt by now. But nah, it's much easier to repeat the same chorus, albeit at a louder volume.

Nice system 4-2-7 but I don't see how it has anything to do with the Pro-Ject tables.

Reputation of a product is not only based on what the people who own one think about it, but also what people who have no experience with the table think. The latter have no basis for their opinion other than what they have read and gathered from that. Then these people spread their selective opinion with no first hand experience and things escalate. What would be interesting to hear is the opinion and experience of someone who actually has a lot of experience with Pro-Ject tables, like knowledgeable dealers who have set up a lot of these tables, their experience should actually tell something about how common or rare the hum issue for example is.

Probably the issue is/was somewhat common, because there's been enough reports that we now get claims like 50/50 chance - I suppose technically there's always a 50/50 chance, because when you buy something it either works like it should or doesn't... I have no idea on the actual numbers but I highly doubt 50% of the tables have been with issues. For one thing I've never read a review of any Pro-Ject table that mentioned such issues, but of course it's always possible the tables for reviews were cherry picked, depending where the reviewer got his sample from.

Also forums are generally negatively biased in cases like this - no problems is no news, so people generally don't go around the internet posting "I bought a new turntable and it has no issues" but turn to forums when they think there might be something wrong.

Just trying to provide some perspective because it seems discussions about Pro-Ject (and certain other brands) usually get very polarized here. The general opinion on Audiokarma regarding Pro-Ject tables seems very negative (apart from owners, most of whom actually seem pretty happy) comparing to other forums I frequently read.

Anyway, by now hopefully the issues have been fixed and potential buyers are aware of them, so that if there indeed is problems they know what's going on and know to take the table back.

Thanks

The photos where a responce to the above quote that had nothing to do with the Pro-Ject.

 

[runnin']

I guess runnin went running and doesn't want to stand by their assertion of the members here and the reputation of the Pro-Ject Debut Carbon DC.

While the table can and will make some people very happy it has had made many many unhappy with their purchases. By promoting only good reviews of the table will not help anyone like this OP in their dissection to purchase a new table.

And thusly you accuse me five full days after the conversation ended. I did not respond because you were merely trolling, which you continue to do for some reason. You must have a lot of time on your hands. Perhaps with some of that time you could read up on proper location for speakers as corner loading will render your carefully selected multiple t.table system into one with a mediocre sound.

 

[lico]

Back on topic. With all the posts on Project and hum, who knows. If it only costs a few bucks to fix it then they would have done it by now. Have they done it? Who knows who cares there are other turntables out there that don't hum for less that are better. I'd look elsewhere.

 

[Jadran]

Back on topic. With all the posts on Project and hum, who knows. If it only costs a few bucks to fix it then they would have done it by now. Have they done it? Who knows who cares there are other turntables out there that don't hum for less that are better. I'd look elsewhere.

Owners of Debut Carbon DC turntable KNOW there's no hum issue!
So, you're apparently not one of them, and I don't see how you wanted to go ''back on topic'' with just another assumptions based on reading - not own experience.
And while you don't care, I think you've also missed the thread of interest completely!

 

[Jadran]

And thusly you accuse me five full days after the conversation ended. I did not respond because you were merely trolling, which you continue to do for some reason. You must have a lot of time on your hands. Perhaps with some of that time you could read up on proper location for speakers as corner loading will render your carefully selected multiple t.table system into one with a mediocre sound.

I couldn’t agree more!

 

[Jadran]

Comment in the post #22 has nothing to do with the Topic. Not only that - it is obviously false and biased opinion based on reading some old threads, and not based on the facts or own experience with the turntable mentioned in the Topic - Debut Carbon DC.

 

[majick47]

Where else but in audio would you turn a negative into a positive. Knowing how a segment of the audio community likes to tinker Project challenges Carbon buyers to create a fix for the hum. An amazing marketing move.

 

[Jadran]

Some on this forum are well known for repeating their biased mantra against particular brands. Where else but on this ''audio'' forum some would turn trolling into something positive, no matter what?!

 

[4-2-7]

It's not for you to judge and claim superior knowledge over all others. The op asked a question and the site gave opinions and answers to the question as to what they know and how they see it.

You have felt the need to combat everyone's opinions unless you agree with them.

 

[Jadran]

LOL ''a combat''?! Not quite sure who came here first to ''combat'' what but this;

a table that has a 50% of not working right out of the box.

is a LIE not an opinion!

 

[muovimies]

Where else but in audio would you turn a negative into a positive. Knowing how a segment of the audio community likes to tinker Project challenges Carbon buyers to create a fix for the hum. An amazing marketing move.

Well that's the thing that puzzles me about the whole thing, why would someone start to tinker with a new table when it's clearly defective - just return it for a new one or get your money back. A well functioning Debut Carbon doesn't have motor rumble, whether it's the older model or the improved DC. They do provide a spec for signal-to-noise ratio at -68dB and I'd think a steady hum from motor vibration would count as noise...

I haven't owned one but judging from what information is available, to me it seems pretty clear it's either the motor or the power supply that's the culprit with the defective units, not the motor isolation - it is not a difficult job to design one, given the motor is working and vibrates within normal (and predictable) levels. A low voltage AC-motor doesn't vibrate that much given it gets clear power and here the DC version will be a slight improvement with it's more advanced power supply BUT when all is well neither model should have rumble.

If you go through the length of improving the motor suspension, you might make it effective enough to isolate the noise even with a faulty motor (or PS), but it doesn't cure the problem, which is a motor that is vibrating too much. There's also a point where some vibration will be transmitted through the belt as rumble, no matter how you isolate the motor, if it vibrates enough.

 

[Bkphoto]

I HAD a Debut Carbon and had a horrible experience...Was the bar set too high from all the glowing reviews , probably...

out of the box it vibrated terribly ...sent it back...

Got the next one, didn't vibrate as much but still too much....did the washer fix and that was that...

Now lets talk rumble, it was a rumble factory...Mine was properly set up, well isolated...called the U.S. rep and he told me to see if i can put the TT in a different room than the speakers (I'm not kidding) I facepalmed...

sold it....you really shouldn't have to "tweak" something thats brand new...go back and read all the rave reviews it got....IMHO in the world of TT's its a fisher price..

 

[4-2-7]

I HAD a Debut Carbon and had a horrible experience...Was the bar set too high from all the glowing reviews , probably...

out of the box it vibrated terribly ...sent it back...

Got the next one, didn't vibrate as much but still too much....did the washer fix and that was that...

Now lets talk rumble, it was a rumble factory...Mine was properly set up, well isolated...called the U.S. rep and he told me to see if i can put the TT in a different room than the speakers (I'm not kidding) I facepalmed...

sold it....you really shouldn't have to "tweak" something thats brand new...go back and read all the rave reviews it got....IMHO in the world of TT's its a fisher price..

And that's the point, had you not had a bunch of fanboys making bias claims and got the whole story, you could have made an educated decision in the first place.