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EICO 2036

Higher voltage caps are like a pickup with more payload.
You may never use it all, and that's fine. If someday you need it, (for example if the voltage supplied by the power company suddenly jumps) then you have the margin to cover it.
 
Higher voltage caps are like a pickup with more payload.
You may never use it all, and that's fine. If someday you need it, (for example if the voltage supplied by the power company suddenly jumps) then you have the margin to cover it.

Thanks for the help! This is all starting to make a bit of sense. I appreciate it!
 
1. I don't have a service manual, but I do have a schematic. Voltages are listed.

2. Replace all the electrolytic and probably the coupling caps too.

3. You can replace the PECs with small circuit PCBs stuffed with higher quality parts, but that's a bit of a pain to do. Not sure if it's worth the effort, but I did it anyway.

4. Check the value of the resistors and replace any out of spec.

5. Put the right tube in the correct position. A 12DW7 consists of a 12AX7 & 12AU7 in one package, and a 12AX7 replacement is a bad idea.
Hey BuzzK,
Wondering if it's possible to override the internal caps of the original PEC with external caps? I want to swap in 0.027 caps without fully replacing the PEC. Any chance this is possible? Thanks in advance.
 
Hey BuzzK,
Wondering if it's possible to override the internal caps of the original PEC with external caps? I want to swap in 0.027 caps without fully replacing the PEC. Any chance this is possible? Thanks in advance.

Offhand, I'd say no, unless you are able to isolate and disconnect the internal caps from the circuit. The whole reason for replacing the PEC is to use better quality parts.
 
Offhand, I'd say no, unless you are able to isolate and disconnect the internal caps from the circuit. The whole reason for replacing the PEC is to use better quality parts.
That's what I thought too. I bought a kit on reverb that included replacement caps. I'm new to all of this, this being my first tube amp, but I'm trying to learn. I thought this kit would help facilitate learning so I went for it. In the kit 4 x 0.027/630v caps were included, and I got stumped on how to implement them. I was questioning the seller, but when he stopped replying I thought I'd ask you. We'll see how this turns out. Thanks again.
 
Is it good practice to replace all capacitors in the unit? Even super small caps with pf values? I'm having a hard time finding replacement caps for the smallest caps. For example, the 0.0068uf 10% cap. The voltage rating on #3 pin that it's connected to is at 3v. Is that cap worth replacing? Or even the 400pf 10% caps?
 
Usually not necessary. I built replacements with discrete parts for my Eico HF-85 years ago, but I'm not sure it was necessary. If you replace yours, you wouldn't try to attach the new caps to the PEC, you would build a separate circuit with replacements for all of the parts that are inside the PEC and install that.
 
Usually not necessary. I built replacements with discrete parts for my Eico HF-85 years ago, but I'm not sure it was necessary. If you replace yours, you wouldn't try to attach the new caps to the PEC, you would build a separate circuit with replacements for all of the parts that are inside the PEC and install that.
Thanks. I guess I'm just swapping a handful of the coupling caps.

The kit builder wouldn't explain why he added the caps to replace caps in the PECs, I'll just leave those alone. He also sent power caps with different values than the originals to rebuild the can caps. He's sending the correct ones now, but I'm left wondering how he got 8 caps in the kit wrong.

Learning curve! I'm still having fun. Thanks again for the help everyone.
 
Higher voltage caps are like a pickup with more payload.
You may never use it all, and that's fine. If someday you need it, (for example if the voltage supplied by the power company suddenly jumps) then you have the margin to cover it.
So higher voltage on a power cap is ok, but is it ok to use a higher voltage for a coupling cap? If I use a 600v cap where a 400v cap was, for example. Thanks in advance.
 
All day long.
You just get more safety margin going with ths higher rated caps.
Great! Also, is it always better to go higher in uf if you can't match? Like if I'm searching for a 40 uf, and only find 39 uf or 47. Should go for the closest one, or the closest but higher valued? Thanks again.
 
Great! Also, is it always better to go higher in uf if you can't match? Like if I'm searching for a 40 uf, and only find 39 uf or 47. Should go for the closest one, or the closest but higher valued? Thanks again.

No. it is not "always" better. The answer depends on where the capacitor is & what it's doing in the circuit.
 
No. it is not "always" better. The answer depends on where the capacitor is & what it's doing in the circuit.
That's where I get hung up. Seems like there's a significant difference between 0.01 uf and 0.015 uf. I'm barely learning how to read a schematic. I have no clue what the caps are actually doing in the circuit. I've been replacing caps, testing resistors, and checking for continuity on some joints. The longer I stare at the schematic, the more it makes sense, but I still don't know if a cap is in the audio signal path or not.
 
I'm barely learning how to read a schematic. I have no clue what the caps are actually doing in the circuit. I've been replacing caps, testing resistors, and checking for continuity on some joints. The longer I stare at the schematic, the more it makes sense, but I still don't know if a cap is in the audio signal path or not.
Larger value electrolytic caps are typically found in the power supply and as cathode bypass caps. Lower value film caps and ceramic or mica types are typically in the audio portion of the circuit. That's perhaps oversimplified a bit, I'm sure someone can provide exceptions if they want to play the "let's confuse the newbie" game.

Typically, the electrolytics and the coupling caps are the ones to replace. The small value ceramic and mica types are most often left alone.

If you're rebuilding the PECs, you can mount the new parts on a small piece of perfboard.

Schematics look intimidating at first but if you can read a road map you can read a schematic. Just think of the lines (which could be wires, or the leads of a resistor or cap, etc) as roads and each component (resistors, capacitors, pots, transformers, etc) as towns along the road. If you follow a particular "road" you will, at some point, come to the "town" shown on the schematic. The actual distance between "towns" will vary considerably so forget about whether the "road" between them is short or long on the schematic. Distances are not accurate. If you follow the "road", though, you will eventually find the "town".

This is the PS section, let's follow the road . . .
Eico 2036 PS.png

From Pin 8 of the GZ34 / 5AR4 rectifier tube, the first cap is C19A, then there is a 50 ohm 10w resistor between it and C19B and then a 350 ohm 10w between it and C19C which is in parallel with C19D. The A, B, C, and D mean they are all different sections inside one of the can caps. The symbols (half circle, square, triangle, no symbol) next to the designation indicate which connection is which and are marked on the bottom of the can.

It's safe to use the modern values that are slightly higher than the originals (47uf, 22uf, etc.) but never use voltage ratings that are lower. Higher is fine.

If there is enough room underneath you can use individual caps to replace them and just disconnect the can and leave it in place to preserve the original look. I'd suggest using caps rated at 105 degrees for 10,000 hours.

Since you've already ordered a cap kit of some type, go ahead and use them but, in the future, I'd suggest ordering individual parts yourself. As you've already found out, sellers of kits don't always send the correct parts, sometimes their quality is not the best and the kit will always cost considerably more than the individual parts. Convenience costs more.

BTW, the 0.027uf 630v caps you were sent are the coupling caps between the 7247 and the output tubes. I've never seen coupling caps that were inside a PEC before, but it looks like that's what Eico did on this. That's probably why the PECs have big bulges in them. Odd.

Replacement can caps are generally rated at only 85 degrees, sometimes less, and their specs are typically nowhere near as good. They are also much much more expensive than individual caps. And, if the original can is soldered to the chassis, it takes a relatively powerful iron to desolder it. Sometimes you have no choice, though, and have to use replacement cans. If one of yours is loose, obviously it should be much easier to replace if you go that route.

The only replacement cans that you can order with higher quality caps inside are from Hayseed Hamfest but they are even more expensive and may take a while since they are custom made.

For individual caps, any of the major brands are fine (Nichicon, Panasonic, Rubycon, United Chemi-Con) but check their dimensions if space is tight. Always get them from a major supplier like Mouser or Digi-Key, never from eBay or from China. Axial lead caps are not as common as radial lead caps so you will pay much more form them. Radial leads can be bent to the side easily enough and will usually fit without problem.

Individual caps can be mounted to a terminal strip if you have enough room to mount one. I found this pic of the inside. Looks like plenty of space around the cans to me. The screws near the one towards the bottom can be used for a terminal strip.
Eico 2036 Inside.jpg

Another method I've used is to mount replacement caps to the ground tabs of the old can. To do this, I disconnect everything from the central tabs of the can and then cut those central tabs off (not the twist lock tabs around the perimeter, just the ones in the center) as flush as possible to the bottom of the can.

There are usually four twist lock tabs. Two are typically solid and two usually have holes in them. You can mount individual caps directly to the old tabs. This only works with new caps that have leads, not the "snap in" types.

The key is to cut the negative lead of the new cap very short, no longer than necessary. The negative lead can be soldered through the twist lock tabs that have a hole. You need to twist the lead tightly around the tab so that it's held in place mechanically. Really this applies when mounting any part, the mechanical connection should be enough to hold it firmly before any solder is applied.

If the lead is very short, the cap really can't move around, so that's the key. This is very important. Too long and it can flop around and possibly short. The positive leads are also then cut short and resistors can be mounted between them, just like they were on the original can.

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