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Explain to a young guy why reel to reel was the thing in 70s and 80s

Back then you couldn't go download a torrent of whatever you wanted to hear, so people would borrow a friend's copy of an LP, or get one from a library or whatever and record a copy.

The Reel to Reel was the only way to do this before cassette and 8 track came along. And even then, R2R was superior in sound quality. A good R2R can still rival anything today's recording technology can offer to my ears.
 
According to one of my Realistic Low Noise blank tape boxes, the time was as follows for a 3600 ft reel...

3600ft at 7 1/2 in/s 96 minutes.
3600ft at 3 3/4 in/s 192 minutes
and
3600ft at 1 7/8 in/s 384 minutes

3 3/4 in/s sounds good for music, 7 1/2 sound better IMHO

In my experience, this is the kind of tape you should run screaming from. It's extremely thin - that's how they fit so much of it on a 7 inch reel. I'd look for tape that's 3600 ft. to a 10 inch pancake or reel, 1800 ft. to a 7 inch reel....
 
If you were in broadcasting in the 70's, most of your studio production was done on RtR. I could dub just about any LP I wanted on RtR and I built a pretty good library of favorites on 7-inch hubs. I also recorded special rock history series (still have those tapes). My first home tape machine (Sony TC-377) was an open reel deck, which I still have. Back then, cassette tapes just didn't sound as good, IMO, and were strictly for the car. It wasn't until the late 70's, when cassette decks and cassette tape quality had improved considerably, that I start playing cassette tapes at home.
 
So then my next question is, if R2R is superior to vinyl, why has the recent(last 10 yrs) audiophile resurgent interest been in vinyl records and not R2R if R2R is a superior sounding format?

Why is it when you go into a high end audiophile stereo store, people are nuts about their Linn Sondek LP12 or Rega turntable or something but you never see any R2R's around? Shouldn't it be the other way around?

You can buy high end record players, cartridges etc all day long. I wonder how come you can't buy brand new 1/4 in reel to reel machines and parts the same way you can record players?

Just my observations- thanks.

There are folks issuing new R2R tapes today

http://www.tapeproject.com/

http://www.aaanalog.de/index.php?context=page&id=Page:15

You'll note that these aren't cheap at all, and the selection is quite limited. Also, as you note, you can't just walk into your local audio store and buy a deck to play them upon. But they are the highest quality source material you can buy, and decent used professional R2R decks have been available at bargain prices as studios dump them when they go all digital.
 
Pre-recorded RtR tapes are more delicate and have a shorter life-span than records, and this is possibly why you don't see more of them...also since RtR recorder/players were not as universally adopted by home listeners there were fewer of them, and when someone sold their recorder the tapes usually went with it, thus fewer tapes (by themselves) make it to the thrifts.

I have had RtR decks since about 1957. I was just a child. I remember that to acquire nice audiophile pre-recorded tapes, my Dad and I had to travel to a high-class stereo store in a larger city. One would find no RtR pre-recorded albums at K-Mart.

Prior to 4-track, there was a time when pre-recorded tapes were marketed in 2-track stereo format..which means the audio was only recorded in one direction..at the end of the tape you just rewound..no flipping over the reels and playing another set of tracks. I have quite a few of those. BelCanto was a brand that was quite popular then.
 
Hey Mike - Have you ever worked on or run across one of those big reddish-orange DuKane players that were once used for background music in some department stores? I remember seeing one playing in our local K-Mart in the early 1970's. It was rumored (and actually I think it was a legitimate news story) that they had attempted to use subliminal messages on those tapes to curtail shoplifters. Supposedly there were buried messages like "I will not steal" and "Stealing is wrong" and stuff like that.

Don't think I ever saw DuKane's stuff in my service area. Definitely nothing brightly colored. And I couldn't confirm the subliminal message rumor. I never stole anything from a department store, but I attribute that to a stern lesson from my mother when I was a young child! :no:
 
I would humbly suggest that the best way to see/hear what all the hoopla was/is about is to wangle a listen to a good R2R for yourself. To me, the trend is fidelity has taken a back seat to convenience. You might well be surprised.
 
A brief primer (with pictures)

I've read every post in this thread. There's some I agree with and some I don't.

That being said, here is the 70salesguy's take on this question.

There was a time that the only viable option for recording at home was RTR. As some folks had serious money invested in their RTR machines, they liked the option to purchased "prerecorded" RTR tapes. As with any other format, they ran the gamut from marvelous to mediocre.

RTR was also the only viable option for "live" recording. That Woodstock LP set that some are so fond of came about because of some guys toughing it out for 3 days (yes, we know they fell asleep and missed some performances) in that environment and recording it on RTR machines.

Your other viable option for home tape was the infamous 8-track, which really was popular at home primarily due to its wide use as a mobile audio source.

Right up until about 1971, the Compact Cassette, as it was originally known, was a medium only suitable for voice and portable casual use in a lot of combo AM/FM radio Cassette-corders. But Wollensak, Henry Kloss and Ray Dolby would change all of that in 1971 with the introduction of the widely sold first marketable and viable High Fidelity Cassette Deck. The cassette slowly got better with technology and better tape formulations. It had the added bonus of portability and found acceptance for automobile applications, and later the Walkman.

But RTR was still there, in every version from a portable 3" reel machine to huge multitrack machines in the recording studio. The 1/4" tape 1/4 track machine became dominant in the consumer market. In the 70's, you could buy a competent 1/4 track RTR from around $350 all the way up to several thousand dollars. There is no controversy or viable argument against the fact that a high quality RTR machine is superior to a cassette machine. The laws of physics will not be toyed with or altered by anyone's ego.

For old farts like me, who has owned an RTR machine since the early 70s, there is nothing like listening to a well-recorded tape on one of my machines. I still have my first and every other RTR that I have ever purchased. The current total is 6.

Being a bit younger (by your own admission), you may not have ever seen a true high quality machine. The Japanese manufacturers, Akai, Teac, Sony and Pioneer, for example, have built some marvelous machines through the years, and some crap as well.

My favorite RTR manufacturer was Crown of Elkhart, Indiana. They truly built heavy-duty machines designed to operate 18 hours a day for 10 years with only routine maintenance required. I can tell you that to see an hear a well-maintained or restored Crown RTR is a wonderful thing.

Just as with any other component like amplifiers, turntables or speakers, there is a great variance between top of the line and bottom. Here's a couple of examples.

This is an Akai X-150D, a very popular machine among servicemen in the very early 70's. A lot of these came back from overseas, and I bought this one from a serviceman who did just that. A very nice little machine, well-built and reasonably priced.


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Next is a Teac A-2300SX, a very nice and well-built performer from the 70's. Nothing fancy but very good and reliable. Sold for about $500 at the time. These turn up occasionally and are most often very good buys.


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Next is a Pioneer RT-1020H, a unit that Pioneer sold a LOT of. Quite a few of them survive to this day and provide excellent service. A very nice machine from the mid-70's. This deck is a nice move up and retailed for about $650 in the U.S.


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Now at about the same time you could have bought the Pioneer for $650, this next deck, a Crown SX824 configured the way you see it was about $1900.


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Now compare and contrast the Pioneer and the Crown, $650 vs $1900? As nice as the Pioneer is, it just isn't built to the same standard that the Crown is.

I have many tapes that were recorded in the mid-70's (that's 35 years ago) on that very Pioneer deck and sound just as good today as the day they were recorded. Many were recorded from a virgin LP, and the LP was shelved. You could play the tape many, many times with no fear of degradation of the sound. Also RTR machines allowed you to record "mix" tapes of your favorite tunes or "party" tapes, just as has been done with cassettes since the mid-70's.

Try to wangle a listening session from an AKer near you that has a quality RTR machine. You might just be "blown away" with what you see and hear!
 
I will risk being mocked by those who aren't old enough to have been young and single in the 70's and share a photo of the A/V set up I had at the time in my Hollywood Hills "bachelor pad" including a Magnecord 1024 Reel to Reel tape deck. I still have the Owner's Manual and a spec sheet sheet which I will also attach (both sides), but not the deck which somehow got disappeared when I sold the house and moved to the SF Bay Area in the late 80's. I can't explain the rationalization at the time for getting a reel to reel because as you can see in the photo I also had two TT's in the setup, but for a time I bought most of my albums on R to R, all of which are currently stored in boxes in my garage and haven't seen the light of day in over 20 years.

Feel free to ID any of the other visible components. The speakers, which are not visible in the shot, were Altec Lansing 846A Valencia's which I also no longer have. I do still have both TT's, one of which is still in service, as well as a few of the other bits which are also in the garage.
 

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For recording in a studio, reel to reels were the standard from 1950 to about 1990.

For live on-site recording, reel to reels were the standard from 1950 to the mid 1970s, when Nakamichi and a few other cassette decks started making inroads, as quality came up and size/weight went way, way down! Grateful Dead fans LOVED Nakamichi, 250, 500, and 550 tape decks. :thmbsp:

Again, at home reel to reels were the best way to record/transfer/preserve music from the mid 1950s to the early 1970s.

Before RTRs, and for those who couldn't afford RTRs, there were also record players that also had a cutting lathe, and you could record music direct to a record disc, if you had the money, mics, mixer, and inclination.

Back in the day, most people did something really strange. They actually went to symphony, jazz, big band, and pop concerts. Lots of them, even.
I have friends in their 40s and 50s who have never been to hear a symphony or darkened the stoop at a jazz club.
 
One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that in the 50's, many of the HiFi enthusiasts were recording and playing back music in stereo which would, some years later, be introduced on LPs to the general public. The only avenue to true SOTA sound at that time were the DIY recordings of, an admittedly small circle of fanatics. It was very much a "hands on" hobby from one end to the other. This was back in days when people actually built their own gear, and many familiar names got started by first building their own, and then later, gear for friend's.

Best Regards,
TerryO
 
I certainly wouldn't mind a decent RtR to replace my plasticky '70s Philips, which I tend to hide because I hate the looks.

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I've serviced R2R tape decks that were used long ago for background music in department stores. With 10" reels, 1-7/8 IPS, and auto-reverse, the playing time is over 17 hours. I'm guessing, but the same technology was probably used for recording in 911 call centers and cop shops.

When I was on temporary light duty as a dispatcher, we had a 3 deck tower(Dictaphone) that took I think 12" reels and ran @ 1-7/8". It had the capability of recording/running only when a transmission was made and the tapes lasted usually 24 hours each. Non reversible, and we archived them for 3 months then got re-used. Anything that was needed for a court case was recorded to a different tape, with the associated paperwork signed by 3 witnesses that it was a true and un-modified copy. The machines were a PITA, constantly breaking down, the tape was cheap (shed like my shetland sheepdog), and Dictaphone wasn't too good at repairing them either. My GX365D ran better even before the recap and new transistors.

Larry
 
I will risk being mocked by those who aren't old enough to have been young and single in the 70's and share a photo of the A/V set up I had at the time in my Hollywood Hills "bachelor pad" including a Magnecord 1024 Reel to Reel tape deck. I still have the Owner's Manual and a spec sheet sheet which I will also attach (both sides), but not the deck which somehow got disappeared when I sold the house and moved to the SF Bay Area in the late 80's. I can't explain the rationalization at the time for getting a reel to reel because as you can see in the photo I also had two TT's in the setup, ...
Very cool pic. Definitely bachelor pad motif. Kitschy statuettes, although they were probably considered fine art back then. ;) Even down to the girls in the painting. btw do you recall the artist or name of the painting?

And, silly, reel to reels were to have continuous music playing so bachelors could orchestrate a romantic soundtrack to set the mood and pace for the evening. And you didn't have to get up and change records while preoccupied with more important activities and inopportune moments!!! :D

Ahh, "the mind is alert but the body forgets ...." ;)
 
Very cool pic. Definitely bachelor pad motif. Kitschy statuettes, although they were probably considered fine art back then. ;) Even down to the girls in the painting. btw do you recall the artist or name of the painting?

And, silly, reel to reels were to have continuous music playing so bachelors could orchestrate a romantic soundtrack to set the mood and pace for the evening. And you didn't have to get up and change records while preoccupied with more important activities and inopportune moments!!! :D

Ahh, "the mind is alert but the body forgets ...." ;)

The print was of a painting by an artist named Margaret Keane, although her work was sold under the name of her husband Walter. Her paintings were known as "big eyes" paintings and were very popular in the 60's and early 70's but were looked on with a certain amount of scorn by "serious" art aficionados. According to Wikipedia, she is currently living in the Napa Valley and still working, and there is a gallery of her work in San Francisco. I have no idea as to the title of the print. Something about Harlequins I suspect.

As to your second remark - It is all coming back to me in a pristine rush full of some very, very pleasant memories. Those were heady days in Laurel Canyon where the house was located, surrounded by artists and musicians some of whose names eventually became the stuff of popular culture legend.

I'd better stop now as I may fall into a fit of nostalgia and begin weeping uncontrollably.
 
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Dynamic Range!

I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet...

Reel to reel decks (like my Akai) had great dynamic range: far better than cassettes....if you recorded at 7 and 1/2 ips or more. I used r-r decks at tanglewood and at 15 ips they sounded fantastic.

Low noise tape was important...although about 2X the cost of standard tape.
 
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