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Feeling discouraged today.....

you are depressed because he is happy ?
Not sure I understand that.
Despite what many say, there actually are people who like some Bose gear, and as far as the mp3's - ease of use, portability etc. Not everyone wishes to sit down and listen for every single note all of the time. It is often just nice to listen to music as background noise while jogging, working etc.....even if it is his main source of music now - he is happy, be happy for him. I would guess as a federal judge he has enough common sense to find his way where he wants to go. Believe it or not, people do have different tastes
 
I can see his point though......my friends buying audio gear without asking my opinion is like me hiring a carpenter without talking it over with my carpenter friend.....hiring a landscaper without talking it over with my landscaping friend.....because these guys could either do it cheaper, or recommend someone who can do it cheaper and do the same...if not better quality of job, ya know? I have done this to my friends before, and they were a little taken back by it......I don't know, maybe it is just us upstate NY'ers.......LOL....
I don't get the MP3 thing though, I'd like to get one myself so my T-Amp can be even more portable.....lugging 100+ cd's to the rear of my yard is a pain in the backside.......that and I'd like to listen to something when I mow my lawn.......and I have a good pair of phones in mind (better than Bose and priced at btwn. 85-90.00 shipped, so I hear)...for when I do get an MP3 player......
That said.....Warf101 is just looking out for his friend's interests, and you can't knock a man for that.....
 
My piano teacher is about 80 years old and has a profound knowledge of music. He used to play jazz and standards around Chicago in hotels and lounges. He hung around The London House, Fritzels, Mr. Kelly's and the Green Mill. He turned me on to Anita O'Day and Oscar Peterson. He teaches in the old Fine Arts Building on Michigan Ave, next door to the Auditorium Theater (they still have elevator operators there).

He listens to CDs and radio over a little Sony boombox kind'a thing. He plans on buying one of these combination record player-CD burner gizmos so he can save his LPs on CD. Now who in the Hell am I or anyone else to judge what such a fella wants to listen to? This guy is so far beyond most of us in musical skill and knowledge it ain't funny.
 
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Thanks to being on the front lines in WWII my dad probably did not even have 128mp3 hearing in his early 60's.
Never stopped him from playing lots of music and really enjoying it. :music:



Carl
 
To each it's own. I think MP3's sound pretty decent at 320kbs. Then again I like my music on cassette, vinyl, 45's, MP3's, CD's, reel and WAV files.
 
You Know Those Combos are Notorious For Destroying Vinyl

Tom Brennan said:
My piano teacher is about 80 years old and has a profound knowledge of music. He used to play jazz and standards around Chicago in hotels and lounges. He hung around The London House, Fritzels, Mr. Kelly's and the Green Mill. He turned me on to Anita O'Day and Oscar Peterson. He teaches in the old Fine Arts Building on Michigan Ave, next door to the Auditorium Theater (they still have elevator operators there).

He listens to CDs and radio over a little Sony boombox kind'a thing. He plans on buying one of these combination record player-CD burner gizmos so he can save his LPs on CD. Now who in the Hell am I or anyone else to judge what such a fella wants to listen to? This guy is so far beyond most of us in musical skill and knowledge it ain't funny.
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The USB tables are known to destroy records, and I bet he has some nice pieces there, some of it probably quite rare. It would be a shame to see it destroyed. Maybe introducing him to someone who would digitize his collection would be a honorable thing to do. Maybe someone who would appreciate and value those records could get them after the copies are made.

Just a thought.

Regards
Mister Pig
 
Mister Pig said:
The USB tables are known to destroy records, and I bet he has some nice pieces there, some of it probably quite rare. It would be a shame to see it destroyed. Maybe introducing him to someone who would digitize his collection would be a honorable thing to do. Maybe someone who would appreciate and value those records could get them after the copies are made.

Just a thought.

Regards
Mister Pig
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I'd like to second the above.

To the OP, be glad the fellow can hear anything at all -- my father in law blew his hearing pretty much with all the chainsaw use without ear protection. Now, that's depressing. Still, he likes to put on his 'Smokey and the Bandit' soundtrack while decorating the Christmas tree.
 
Quite a few people disregard the differences between high-bitrate mp3 and lossless. Either their hearing isnt as good, their stereo isnt up to par, or in most cases, they simply dont care. Most of my friends fall in the "dont care" category, as long as they have music, theyre happy. The music is what matters most, but I think some of us get sidetracked by the quality of the sound rather than the music that drew us here in the first place. Im not saying sound quality isnt important, but it just depends on the person.
 
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BadassBob said:
Quite a few people disregard the differences between high-bitrate mp3 and lossless.
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This is always funny. The guys that tune the codecs actively try to find people who can reliably hear the difference between high bit rate mp3 and wave. It's a vanishingly small percentage that can and usually only on difficult sound samples that would rarely if ever be on an actual music CD. Most of the time they had to train themselves to be able to hear it as well, it just didn't come out and smack them upside the head. But somehow everyone around here can tell the difference between 320kbps and CD.
 
There was a time that I could not hear the difference between 320k and CD. Now....it's like night and day.
 
In Defense of Bose

What happened to all audio, no attitude?

I have a pair of Tri-ports and they are far from junk. Sure there are better for the money, but when I had 10 minutes to spare on the way to LAX and passed a Best Buy that was they best I could do. One of the problems with the good stuff is sometimes it's way too hard to find. Many mfr's of superior equipment flunked Marketing 101.

BTW - The best discrete quad setup I ever heard was a big Marantz pushing (4) 901s.
 
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There was a time that I could not hear the difference between 320k and CD. Now....it's like night and day.
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You've got some pretty special ears then David.. I've read a few tests and comparisons that said most everyone couldn't tell a difference in the sound of an MP3 from 192 on up.. and even then they were leaning towards lucky guesses. I've also listened to some files that were used as comparisons at high bitrates on a good system that were purposelly "mutilated" to remove parts and compress other parts, and you could not hear a difference..

So to jump from a 320K to CD and hear a night and day difference???? I've heard factory CD's that sounded like they were recorded from 32 bit mp3's...
 
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You've got some pretty special ears then David.. I've read a few tests and comparisons that said most everyone couldn't tell a difference in the sound of an MP3 from 192 on up.. and even then they were leaning towards lucky guesses.
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Roger that. In my own noodling around with a 5.5th gen iPod and Etymotic ER6i's I couldn't hear much difference above 192 VBR. Not that I download much, but it seemed reasonable to rip at 256 VBR since Amazon and iTunes+ use that bit rate.
 
he made his money the old fashioned way ... he earned it ... he can spend it his way

  • Congratulations to the judge on having achieved a vocation what few can even aspire to.
  • Congratulations to the judge on understanding enough about new technology to download what he wants, when he wants.
  • Congratulations to the judge on having his priorities straight and not puppeting forum fodder.
  • Congratulations to the judge on being a Jeff Beck fan! :thmbsp:

By budgeting and not spending time and money on more gear and being consumed with perfecting his system, he can go to clubs and listen to live Jazz, have a nice dinner ... so what's the down side again? :D
 
I can see his point though......my friends buying audio gear without asking my opinion is like me hiring a carpenter without talking it over with my carpenter friend.....hiring a landscaper without talking it over with my landscaping friend.....because these guys could either do it cheaper, or recommend someone who can do it cheaper and do the same...if not better quality of job, ya know?
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Maybe they believe they are old enough to make their own decisions. What may be pleasing to me, may not be pleasing to you, as what may be pleasing to you is not what they want.
Bose is a GREAT example. Take a Bose Wave Radio. Would I pay full price for one, no, because I think for the money there are many good alternatives, but let's say my parents want to buy one. I could go on a 10 minute tirade on why they shouldn't; I have done a few things here.
1st, I have made them feel ignorant and as though their opinion means nothing. They could have researched it and read hundreds of people's reviews saying they are satisfied with it, but smart aleck me supposedly knows better ?
2nd - let's say they do buy something else. Even tho it could be as good or better, there is a good chance they will find something they do not like about it and every time they turn it on, they will wish they bought the Bose.

If someone asks your advice, great, give it to them and explain why, but also explaining to them everyone has different tastes, needs and desires. You are not buying it for you, so as any good salesmen would do, find out exactly what features etc they want and how they plan to use it and explain why you think so and so would be a good choice. People always feel so much better if they feel they are part of the solution instead of being belittled for their ignorance. They are your friends or relatives after all.
If you know someone who is buying but does not ask your opinion, yet know you are really into audio, keep your mouth shut, if they like it, tell them it is great and be a part of their happiness.

Tis what i would do anyway
 
Good for the Judge - Jeff Beck - too cool - hey - if he can't tell the difference, at least he is still listening.
 
I started a similar thread recently. In hindsight I regret it.

Whether his reasoning seems sound to us or not is irrelevant if the guy is happy.
 
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