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First vintage system

Properly working vintage gear should sound pretty much like modern gear. The exception being speakers.

It's kinda weird because I'd have expected it the other way around, transistors and such have evolved tremendously, while speakers in itself are quite simple devices. But now knowing that, maybe I won't "upgrade" my modern speakers to vintage ones, I very much like the sound of these now.

FWIW: I use tube monoblocs (modified) from the early 1970's, a hybrid preamp from the middle 1980's, a TT (modified) from the late 1980's, a pair of 2-year-old class D SS amplifiers driving dual DIY subwoofers, an SACD player from the early 2010's and a laptop from the 2020's streaming from local files and the internet while feeding a standalone USB DAC. My speakers are 4yo Magnepans.

That's a nice setup, I was just browsing SACD as well, the original discs seem expensive but luckily there seems to be other means.
 
To the OP, now that you are aware of the revered time-period, hopefully you won't take future mentions of BPC personally

I won't and I didn't. If I gave that impression I'm sorry. I was just wondering that if someone is after non-bpc, then why look at vintage gear at all which is rare, expensive and fragile, when one can just read the latest whathifi reviews, walk into the nearest Amazon store and get good sound delivered on the doorstep within a day.

And as for what does the term "vintage" stands for, for me it's not necessarily a synonym for "good", it's more like "old". And that's what I look for, the vintage displays, buttons, look and feel, all that jazz.
 
^ So which ones have you listened to and like so far?

The Yamaha you listed for example looks pretty well built and not in the "BPC" category

Note the Nad has "Pre Out"/Main In" if you're not aware this means you can hook up other devices.

For example if you wanted to use the Nad as a Pre-Amp (think control center) you could connect it to another Power Amp, vice versa you could hook up Pre-Amp to it and just use the Nad as a straight Power amplifier.

So factor that in with regards to having flexibility as you try different pieces of equipment

As for the Onkyo it looks to have remote control capabilities so here's hoping you have the remote because remotes can be useful

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maybe I won't "upgrade" my modern speakers to vintage ones, I very much like the sound of these now.

In all seriousness that is all that matters, your ears are your ears so just because someone on the internet says yay or nay with regards to say speakers in this example, take it with a grain of salt.

Plus there are too many variables at play such as room size, design speaker placement etc
 
^ So which ones have you listened to and like so far?

I think Onkyo sounds good, Pioneer well I think that will go to sit on a shelf in garage. Yamaha and NAD are waiting for their turn.


Note the Nad has "Pre Out"/Main In" if you're not aware this means you can hook up other devices.

For example if you wanted to use the Nad as a Pre-Amp (think control center) you could connect it to another Power Amp, vice versa you could hook up Pre-Amp to it and just use the Nad as a straight Power amplifier.

I would not have thought about that, it gives me some Ideas.

The Onkyo is currently playing some radio channel full of 80s hits, I really do enjoy it, brings me back to when I was a wee young, this is the sound I remember I could not afford back then. You know the kind of sound you enjoy so much you want to show it to other people, "you gotta listen to this".
 
I see a lot of the same thing on bicycle forums - an all-Campagnolo racing bike from the '70s is classic and all else is scrutinized. Same silver vs. black argument, same time-frame questions, and very similar snobbishness in both directions - comments about gas-pipe vs. plastic, etc. (Not accusing anyone in this thread, btw)

To the OP, now that you are aware of the revered time-period, hopefully you won't take future mentions of BPC personally, as most here would agree that there are many fine-sounding pieces of every vintage, and likely few or none here are actually looking down at your choices, despite what it may seem.
My daily rider is a Trek Columbus 930 SL Silver soldered frame from when they only made frames. The gear is classic with a full Campy New Record Gruppo, Cinelli bars and stem w/Look pedals. It originally had Campy track pedals. I gave them, to my brother 30 years ago. They are on his Centurion (vintage). Although I started with Sew-Ups currently I'm using 80PSI clinchers.

I also have a modern Look Carbon Fiber frame with the latest gear (no disc brake) from SRam. The Trek just feels smoother. That's why it's my daily rider.
 
My daily rider is a Trek Columbus 930 SL Silver soldered frame from when they only made frames. The gear is classic with a full Campy New Record Gruppo, Cinelli bars and stem w/Look pedals. It originally had Campy track pedals. I gave them, to my brother 30 years ago. They are on his Centurion (vintage). Although I started with Sew-Ups currently I'm using 80PSI clinchers.

I also have a modern Look Carbon Fiber frame with the latest gear (no disc brake) from SRam. The Trek just feels smoother. That's why it's my daily rider.

Mine is self-built Surly Midnight Special, Shimano GRX, DT Swiss hubs and rims, but I thought this was an audio forum? :)
 
Mine is self-built Surly Midnight Special, Shimano GRX, DT Swiss hubs and rims, but I thought this was an audio forum? :)


^ Surly is the Sh%T!!! I had a "CrossCheck" for the longest time that I used to bomb around in the city and off road on the gravel & single tracks.

I regret selling it and even worse not sure why I sold it.

Technically it is an audio forum but there a good number of cyclists on the forum too and you can find them in forums such as

 
I think a lot of us here have a mix of old and new. My turntables are both 40 plus years old, amp is 10, speakers are 10 or so, other components are much newer. Experiment with different combinations.

Mike
 
^ Surly is the Sh%T!!! I had a "CrossCheck" for the longest time that I used to bomb around in the city and off road on the gravel & single tracks.

Tell me about it, I was thinking about CC as well but ended up with Midnight Special because for me it basically was an upgraded version of it which was more suitable for the components I wanted. Built like a tank.
 
I guarantee when you put these model numbers on google, you get a list of specs or some advert for them being on sale.
That should tell you something about the "collectablity".

And 2003 is vintage now :thumbsup:

So what you have is definitely vintage.

My main system has morphed into all new except for the vinyls and polycarbonate spinners.
 
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Speaking of built like a tank and back to audio here's some iconic pieces that fit the bill as far at what most would consider "Vintage" on this forum.

Looks like hand made, not sure if they actually were but damn. Now I know to keep my eyes open for that kind of "true vintage".
 
Looks like hand made, not sure if they actually were but damn. Now I know to keep my eyes open for that kind of "true vintage".

They weren't but in my humble opinion the Japanese manufacturers & engineers were dedicated to making quality controlled engineered, well built pieces of equipment that was a symbol of pride for them and their companies some of which had/have been in business since the early mid 1900's
 
It's kinda weird because I'd have expected it the other way around, transistors and such have evolved tremendously, while speakers in itself are quite simple devices. But now knowing that, maybe I won't "upgrade" my modern speakers to vintage ones, I very much like the sound of these now.

If anything I think in many cases things have gone backwards, I've listened to plenty of 90's - 2000's gear from the big Japanese brands, and I think the fully discrete gear from the mid 70's sounds way better, are actually user serviceable, and generally have a better build quality. My 'epiphany' came when I brought an 80's Marantz PM-75 for a good price, and compared it to my 00's PM7200, which was only 5 years old at the time, I sold the PM7200.
 
Hello all,

I am currently building my first vintage system out of various parts I managed to acquire locally. I am a complete newbie to all of this, since this is almost my birth year hardware although I do have nostalgia towards these from my child hood.

If anyone has any experience any of this equipment I'd be glad to hear what are your thoughts. I have no idea about the fidelity of any of these, I am tinkering with them and trying to determine which prefer but every two cents are appreciated.

Amps:
- Onkyo TX-844
- Yamaha A-420
- Pioneer SX-254R
- NAD 314

Tuners
- Sony ST-J300L
- Denon TU-215RD
- Pioneer F-656

MD:
- Sony MDS-JE520

Is anything here serviceable, which of these would make the best pairing? I am looking to add a multi-CD player (probably Pioneer or Sony, they seem the most easily available).

Currently running through Elac Debut b5.2 but I would like to add a proper vintage speakers, but that's one can of worms I don't have any knowledge of, recommendations welcome.

Quite a general topic and a lot to unpack, but all feedback very welcome, thank you :)

I'll toss in.

I don't know a damn thing about minidisc. Never even remembered it was a format.

As for the rest of the stuff, any system is better than no system, so, if it works, use it, and start from there. Consider a bluetooth receiver; you can play anything you can find on the internet from your phone. It's not the most high definition, but it will let you listen to everything.

Without looking up the models, I would tell you I view Onkyo, Pioneer, and Yamaha as long time brands on par. Denon is close behind. NAD has been around less time. Sony is considered entry level compared to these others. You have to pick many directions to go on your stereo adventure. Do I like new stuff, or old? Which brand's "house sound" do I like for my preamps and amps? What sources do I want to use? Of those, what brands do I like for features and presentation and design aesthetic? Same question for the amps? How big is my listening room and how is it set up? How loud do I want to listen to my music, and what types of music do I like? Do I have a wife to please, or a young baby to not wake up or do I live in an apartment? Do I like big distorted, buzzy things like an overgained Fender amp, or do I like the cold sound of newer pop music by a glass-breaking soprano?

All these things will help you pick a direction. For now, it's whatever of those sound the best. For speakers, bigger is better. Can you move to floor speakers? You can get a great bargain on some tuned up older speakers that someone has saved and supercharged.

As an example, I'll answer the above for me. I like the Marantz house sound, though this little Pioneer someone gave me reminds me of my dad's receiver growing up. I like old stuff that is serviced, or new stuff made in the old style, like Klipsch's Heritage line. I use all sources, vinyl, CD, SACD, DVD-A, straight digital, cassette tape, 8 track, reel to reel, and quadraphonic versions of some of those. I like 70s solid state stuff, Technics record players, Nakamichi cassette decks (that's 80s), TEAC reel decks, Akai 8 track decks, and Oppo disc players (those are modern.) I like silver faced, all metal, heavy, big, featured, high WPC, late 70s receivers, amps, and preamps. I like the warm sound of old solid state, but not the tube-ish warmer sound of really old solid state. My listening room is 10x20, and the big speakers are on the short wall. I listen to music at 85dBA and I listen to rock, metal, and a little folk. No wife, no baby, house sits on an acre, so I can crank it up. I like distorted 50 year old rock and roll from gear that was there. The speakers are Klipschs, and the design was there back then, but these speakers are relatively recently made versions.

Once you figure that out, you can pick the perfect system. Until then, have fun learning what your perfect system is.
 
Once you figure that out, you can pick the perfect system. Until then, have fun learning what your perfect system is.

Funny post :) but yes that's the thing, trying to figure all this out now. You say you don't remember minidisc, well I don't have any idea who are Nakamichi or TEAC, for what purpose you'd use an 8-track (actually I think I know this, Burzum and other BM bands used it to record TRVE sound). As for MD it's for those sweet modern retro synthwave sounds of course. Why am I a fan of 80s/early 90s if everything was ruined already by then? It's of course nostalgia, I am a product of those times and the sounds and sights of those times are permanently ingrained into my brain.
 
Funny post :) but yes that's the thing, trying to figure all this out now. You say you don't remember minidisc, well I don't have any idea who are Nakamichi or TEAC, for what purpose you'd use an 8-track (actually I think I know this, Burzum and other BM bands used it to record TRVE sound). As for MD it's for those sweet modern retro synthwave sounds of course. Why am I a fan of 80s/early 90s if everything was ruined already by then? It's of course nostalgia, I am a product of those times and the sounds and sights of those times are permanently ingrained into my brain.

One of the most important things you will need is an open mind and a teachable attitude so you can learn from others who know more. I don't think you have it, yet.
 
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