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Getz/Gilberto Comparison

JP said:
On both your rips, the entry vocals have a sympathetic buzzing type vibration. It reminds me of snares vibrating on a drum head. I almost want to say minor groove damage, but it's of a character that I don't normally associate with groove damage.
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Think that it maybe the mastering. :idea:
 
jlovda said:
I just pulled out my copy from my record cabinet. Your label has (ICJU-9068) under the album number. Mine says (63 VG 160). What does this say about my album?

Reading the album cover notes here is the only comment regarding Astrud I could find written by her husband;
"Finally just a word about Astrud, my wife. She always liked to sing and we often sing together at home. I like the way she sings 'The Girl from Ipanema.' Getz heard her sing it and asked her to record it with us. This is her first recording date, and I am glad she was among friends." João Gilberto. Her name is not mentioned anywhere else.

What an understatement regarding the song and breakout singer on the album.
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I believe that 63 VG 160 maybe an earlier remaster. :idea: Astrud's style seems so effortless and smooth. Perfect for laid-back Bossa-Nova music.
 
JP said:
On both your rips, the entry vocals have a sympathetic buzzing type vibration. It reminds me of snares vibrating on a drum head. I almost want to say minor groove damage, but it's of a character that I don't normally associate with groove damage.
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I'm going to look for an earlier stamped album (mid 1960s). Something was not quite right with this master. You can hear ghost notes riding above instruments and vocals at certain parts of the song.

I listened, through headphones, much TOO INTENSELY to the recordings of this song the last few days. Too critically. It's not good for my psyche. :)
 
The Slider said:
I think if you look at what audio is available to download, the default when playing the video is AAC 44.1k @ 96kbps bit rate, with options for AAC 44.1k @ 128kbps and WebM 48k @ 160kbps (max).
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Thanks, for that. I'm prolly recording at 44.1K when I upload in 720 MP4 mode. Maybe, a bit better when I upload in 1080HD? Dunno. Both sound pretty much the same. The video quality at 1080HD is much better than 720.

The problem often goes back to the source. No matter how careful I try to record each song. Or vary the mix volume versus camera audio settings --- the poor or odd mastering comes through. The better the equipment, the more apparent. :(
 
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JP said:
With at least a couple new pressings of this out in the last year or so, I thought it'd be interesting to do a small comparison.

Here's a sample of four different pressings from my library. Stack rank, comment, critique, try to guess which pressings they are, what have you. When activity dies down I'll reveal what they are, but not a hint until then.

Sample A
Sample B
Sample C
Sample D

Enjoy!
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Did we find out the sources?

Thanks!
 
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Are these files in post 1 deleted? I'm getting a "this file was deleted" message when I try to open them. Apologies if this has already been answered -- I'm trying to listen to the clips without any bias, so I haven't read any posts following past post 1.
 
peterp1 said:
Are these files in post 1 deleted? I'm getting a "this file was deleted" message when I try to open them. Apologies if this has already been answered -- I'm trying to listen to the clips without any bias, so I haven't read any posts following past post 1.
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Yes, as what was what has been revealed the files have been removed.
 
JP said:
This has been up far longer than I'd intended, so I think it's time for the reveal. Pencils down.

A = Acoustic Sounds Series
B = Speakers Corner
C = Super Sense Master Cut
D = Analogue Productions 2x45

One small caveat that one of the records has an issue. I wasn't able to pick it out from the sample, nor was a friend, and none of the comments indicate anyone else did either. If I think there was a notable difference after getting the replacement, I'll note that here at that time.
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Hey @JP, thanks for taking the time to record and upload these samples, this was a very enjoyable thread. I'm surprised more members (especially the most vocal ones on this TT forum) didn't participate.

I looked back at my rankings and I'm pleased with them after the reveal. If C is truly from a 1:1 master tape copy it confirms that what I heard in the A & D soundstage is artificial as I suspected. The soundstage of B & C are more similar telling me that B is more correct sounding than A & D. It was also pretty cool that the 45 rpm sounded less thick to me than the 33 rpm version of what seems like a very similar master.

If Super Sense was really provided with a "pure" copy of the original tape (I can't imagine that whoever owns the master sent them the actual original tape but I could be wrong), I can only guess that the original intent of this recording with its mic placement and volume levels as such was to have it mastered or corrected afterwards because IMO the cymbals are just way too loud on the Super Sense lacquer, they practically overpower the sax. I also wonder if Super Sense notched up the dBs on the pressing for added impact. Is it also possible that the provider of the master Super Sense received did something to the copy they sent that might alter the sound? Tape hiss is another question I have, it seems too low from a master tape from that era especially relative to how loud the vocals and instrumentation are. While C has the clarity and openness that D & A lack it is just so darn in your face, all vocals and instruments are in your face almost at the same level, very detailed yes - but just seems unnatural or less realistic than B to me. Can you shed light or more background on what happens between the original tape master and what Super Sense is cutting on the lacquer?

Thanks again for taking the time to share these.

BTW, Happy New Year everyone!
 
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