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Just my personal take here, please don't take it any other way. I have the iFi iRack and for a 2 channel rig it is way too small/flimsy. Getting bamboo in thin strips to fit the hardware in the iRack isn't going to help. They would have to be nearly as thin as the plexiglass shelves to make the hardware work and I don't think it would make it any more rigid or sturdy and I don't think it would help with vibration either. Anyway, I would just hate to see you go through all that effort and be disappointed as I was with the iRack. And I'm obviously an iFi fan since I've purchased the Micro iDSD, iUSB Power, iPhono, and Gemini (and recommended them to many friends).

For only $25 more you could get the 2 shelf AVC IRACK and there really isn't a comparison in my opinion. I can post some pics tonight to try to illustrate what I'm talking about.

I realize this may sound like a sales pitch for the AVC IRACK, but I have nothing to gain from that. I just happen to own both products and feel one is substantially better. Of course as I stated in the first line of this post, this is my personal opinion and experience.
 
This thread has gotten me off my ass and finally bought a mac mini and started ripping my collection. I'm about 50 cd's into about 1200 and in the next few weeks, I'll be ordering the dac with usb.
One thing my wife and myself are looking forward to is getting the three cd racks out of our living room and getting some space back!

Sigh. I need to get on this.
 
Just my personal take here, please don't take it any other way. I have the iFi iRack and for a 2 channel rig it is way too small/flimsy. Getting bamboo in thin strips to fit the hardware in the iRack isn't going to help. They would have to be nearly as thin as the plexiglass shelves to make the hardware work and I don't think it would make it any more rigid or sturdy and I don't think it would help with vibration either. Anyway, I would just hate to see you go through all that effort and be disappointed as I was with the iRack. And I'm obviously an iFi fan since I've purchased the Micro iDSD, iUSB Power, iPhono, and Gemini (and recommended them to many friends).

For only $25 more you could get the 2 shelf AVC IRACK and there really isn't a comparison in my opinion. I can post some pics tonight to try to illustrate what I'm talking about.

I realize this may sound like a sales pitch for the AVC IRACK, but I have nothing to gain from that. I just happen to own both products and feel one is substantially better. Of course as I stated in the first line of this post, this is my personal opinion and experience.


I received my iFI Rack a few days ago and got it put together. I saw this rack last October at RMAF so I had an idea of what I was purchasing. RMAF is also where I purchased my iDSD. I am happy with the iFI Rack and I have it with the iDSD & iUSB setting on one of the small bamboo cutting boards. So far I think this combination is bringing an improvement in bass definition and depth to my system.
 
Sigh. I need to get on this.

This has been looming over me for the better part of a year now. I'm glad this thread came up and gave me some inspiration. it does suck and is a real annoyance. I'm about 200 in now and have got my groove down with the ripping.
I think this week I'll order the nano and get everything hooked up to my main system so I can start enjoying the fruits of my labor. Might not seem so bad if I can see (hear) the benefits.
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Woops, it's the Micro.
Damn techie names!

Any suggestions on where to get these from, besides the usual sources? Anyone doing package deals?
 
Hi Guys,

I merely wanted to post an update on my load of USB Cables, as well as providing information to the fact that while some would've use believe that said cables are only capable of reading the data - you know like 1s and 0s, I've to say that I find they offer a sound very similar to anything else in ones cabling loom.

As Byron made sense during a letter as well as a phone call several days ago in regards to me looking into adding the B.M.C. Audio Pure 1 USB to my stash, as it comes with an active noise filtration device attached to it, in said sense it might've proven to much of a good thing used in tandem with the IFi iUSB Power and rounded off the upper end detail to much, but I can say in all honesty there are a few great options to be had depending upon what flavor is needed to voice ones system - at the lower end of the pricing spectrum the Wireworld Starlight is very very very addictive in that it brings about a certain how should I term it?, refinement and warmth to the recordings, yet has a special way of allowing each note flow with such a purity of sound many can stop here - while the Black Cat Cable Silverstar is better in the way it simply adds a greater sense of snap and attack to the leading edges of notes and has an even greater means of emphasizing that fine line between delicacy and resolution due properly, and the Nordost Blue Heaven usb is to my ears very very very similar taking into account what I once heard with the older generation of cables from say the late 90s to now............., it seems to have lost some of the leanness and overly analytical nature of said earlier design, and offers a warmer and richer texture to notes if that makes any sense?, next up in the weeks to come are the Wirewworld Platinum Starlight and Neutral Cable standard usb from Italy and hopefully one or two of the ones produced by the Chord Company.

And in my mind, I'm intending on keeping the prices on said cables between $100 - $700 per 1m cable, as $1.000 ones in my mind aren't needed in the least, yet in some rare cases I've been proven wrong.

As it stands, I've yet done any of my tracks over to DSD, as a somewhat anal retentive type, I felt the need to sample each track/album and delete the ones I felt didn't move me anymore as my taste in music has evolved to the point were smoothed over jazz recordings just don't cut it anymore and I've found myself more and more leaning towards demo quality type recordings which then add to the excitement of ones listening sessions in such a way, time seems to stand still........., while at it, I've deleted and added fresher looking artwork to each album, as I tend to look more and more into said matters of detail even while hitting the play key on the Apple Remote, discolored photos don't cut it around here either, but that's just me being me.

So all that's left if to decide upon the audio software that proves best interfaced with my Mac Mini that can be then used headless and at said point convert everything over to at least DSD 128 and see what all the fuss a couple of the guys here have been raving about.........., I merely feel that it's best to get my cabling situation in order prior to venturing outwards in this manner - which in the end, we do have to made certain that every cable in our systems do after all work as a collective whole, lest we allows ourselves to not hear things in the best light.

The quest continues.........., until next time.

O_o scar
 
As Byron made sense during a letter as well as a phone call several days ago in regards to me looking into adding the B.M.C. Audio Pure 1 USB to my stash, as it comes with an active noise filtration device attached to it, in said sense it might've proven to much of a good thing used in tandem with the IFi iUSB Power and rounded off the upper end detail to much, but I can say in all honesty there are a few great options to be had depending upon what flavor is needed to voice ones system - at the lower end of the pricing spectrum the Wireworld Starlight is very very very addictive in that it brings about a certain how should I term it?, refinement and warmth to the recordings, yet has a special way of allowing each note flow with such a purity of sound many can stop here - while the Black Cat Cable Silverstar is better in the way it simply adds a greater sense of snap and attack to the leading edges of notes and has an even greater means of emphasizing that fine line between delicacy and resolution due properly, and the Nordost Blue Heaven usb is to my ears very very very similar taking into account what I once heard with the older generation of cables from say the late 90s to now............., it seems to have lost some of the leanness and overly analytical nature of said earlier design, and offers a warmer and richer texture to notes if that makes any sense?, next up in the weeks to come are the Wirewworld Platinum Starlight and Neutral Cable standard usb from Italy and hopefully one or two of the ones produced by the Chord Company

Very informative post :thmbsp: What, in your experience, is one of the best cables for upper frequency response? I've been doing comparisons with the micro & my original DAC, an AUNE T1 (using a Telefunken 6AQ8), on a regular basis for the last 2 weeks. The one thing the T1 seems to do better at is cymbals. I've had the micro a little over a month but probably haven't gotten to the 100 hour mark yet. The micro bests the T1 in almost all of the other areas but we still want it all, don't we? I was watching the part of the thread discussing the Starlight cable with interest.

One very positive effect of the micro: I listen to www.jazz24.org a lot. It's probably streaming at an abysmal rate (a lot of the online stations stream at 64kps) but the micro still makes it sound very musical.

Anyway, opinions on the best USB cable for upper frequency extension will be most welcome. Thanks.
 
Very informative post :thmbsp: What, in your experience, is one of the best cables for upper frequency response? I've been doing comparisons with the micro & my original DAC, an AUNE T1 (using a Telefunken 6AQ8), on a regular basis for the last 2 weeks. The one thing the T1 seems to do better at is cymbals. I've had the micro a little over a month but probably haven't gotten to the 100 hour mark yet. The micro bests the T1 in almost all of the other areas but we still want it all, don't we? I was watching the part of the thread discussing the Starlight cable with interest.

One very positive effect of the micro: I listen to www.jazz24.org a lot. It's probably streaming at an abysmal rate (a lot of the online stations stream at 64kps) but the micro still makes it sound very musical.

Anyway, opinions on the best USB cable for upper frequency extension will be most welcome. Thanks.

Hi BenWaB3,

Thanks for said kind words, and I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that from everything I've read/heard through a few friends/dealers the Wireworld Silver Starlight has a better extended highend compared to both their cheaper Starlight and more costly Platium Starlight which are both reported by a friend at the Cable Company as being similar in that both are extremely smoother sounding, yet quite responsive as far as detailing goes - I'm also included to think that if you can swing either - said Nordost Blue Heaven or Heimdall 2 USB cables should fit the bill, as both are constructed using silver chad copper, and seeming that said iDSD DAC is slightly on the more refined/delicate side sound wise - said conductors go a long ways in restoring a sense of top end detail and/or sparkle compared to say straight copper condutors which might fit into a system that's on the slightly analytical side of the sonic spectrum - but in a fairly warm to neutral system............, silver chad/plated copper is heaven sent to my ears.

Yet, if all else fails?, I can recommend very very very very highly you look into sampling the Alphacore - Goretz TQ2 Silver ICs as they're very well balanced top to bottom and compare very nicely to what I see/hear as the two best sounding cables I've yet to encounter in both the Audio Note/Kondo and Shindo Labs based silver designs.

In said case something like said standard WW Starlight on the DAC and the TQ 2 IC into your preamp or integrated would certainly bring a smile to your face within seconds after both are fully broken in - thank me later.

If nothing else since 2003, I've ultilized the services of the Cable Company on everything from Isolation Feet/Platforms - AC Cords - Cables and even a few components since to have gained a certain sense of insight into the overall importance of matching cabling with one system according to what the end user is trying to achieve - and in the end Synergy is one of the most talked about subjects, yet very few actually take into account that cabling in itself is what makes or breaks the Union of fidelity itself if chosen wrongly, as with most things in the real world........., one size or flavor doesn't fit all.............., but in audio, every little detail counts and then some.

If nothing else........., drop a small deposit with the cats from the Cable Company and borrow several, you don't lose anything as you can always use the deposit at a later date towards a purchase - to me........, I'd much rather know for myself what works/sounds best in my system then not.

Oops!, I forgot to add........, as I remarked elsewhere, I'm an avid jazz head and to this day believe the best sounding cymbals during playback are heard through both ECM and CrissCross Recordings bar none, and through the iDSD as used with said WW Starlight USB has cymbal detailing and lingering after tones for days - and bass and piano notes are better pronounced as well - to my ear/mind it's in the cables one selects that either emphasizes or minimizes said musical accuracy to begin with.........., if it's in the recording, one must then ask themselves which cabling flavor is required to enhance what's already there?, only then will that sense of correctness become a reality. But take into account that my IC going into my integrated is a custom pair of 30 year old heavily silver plated copper made for military use, and actually have better plated then what's standard by today's standards, hence the recommendation for the TQ 2s.

Keep me posted.

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Nice post Oscar! Man I'll be glad when you get done with your prep work and get down to bizzzness! DSD 128's gona make you go all cream puff!
 
Very informative post :thmbsp: What, in your experience, is one of the best cables for upper frequency response? I've been doing comparisons with the micro & my original DAC, an AUNE T1 (using a Telefunken 6AQ8), on a regular basis for the last 2 weeks. The one thing the T1 seems to do better at is cymbals. I've had the micro a little over a month but probably haven't gotten to the 100 hour mark yet. The micro bests the T1 in almost all of the other areas but we still want it all, don't we? I was watching the part of the thread discussing the Starlight cable with interest.

One very positive effect of the micro: I listen to www.jazz24.org a lot. It's probably streaming at an abysmal rate (a lot of the online stations stream at 64kps) but the micro still makes it sound very musical.

Anyway, opinions on the best USB cable for upper frequency extension will be most welcome. Thanks.

Well, this is what I did and suffer nothing in way of sound from the Micro. Oh..as you should know by now.....the Micro is warmed nature.

But I found the best combination for me was to add a Wire World Ultra-violet 7, from the computer to the iUSB PSU. And from the PSU to the Micro I added a Starlight 7. And then from the Micro to the preamp, I added a very special RCA cable...the Wire World Silver Eclipse 7. Each of the cables are OCC Silver-clad Copper but the Ultra has the least silver, most next is the Starlight, and the most is at the source in the Silver Eclipse RCA. IF you add that Silver Eclipse RCA at your source, which is important that you do, you wont be lacking any top end. But mind you, that cable cost more than the DAC itself....but worth every penny as it keeps the natural tones, and gives that top end a makes the cymbal crashes sound natural as well.

Lee Harvey has added the Kimber Kable Silver Streak from the Micro to the source as well , but its a little cheaper but not by much I dont think.
 
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Nice post Oscar! Man I'll be glad when you get done with your prep work and get down to bizzzness! DSD 128's gona make you go all cream puff!

Thanks little Brotha,

But as I've mentioned on several occasions, I'm like so new to all of this, and am trying to learn as much on how to do a few of the necessary studies before relying upon someone else to finalize things on my behalf - and God knows I'd love to be able to go totally headless and have the very best software that interfaces with Mac, yet one that's not an afterthought - I'll get there is the Creator permits me a few more years?.

And I'm not afraid to admit that I'm a big tough ex-USMC Jarhead - but can cream puff just watching a touching movie with the wife and she's proud to see that I'm capable of crying, as it's not about being in touch with the girly man side of myself, no far from it - it's the human natured side of me that has been surfacing of late that causes me to be more caring towards what's going on in the world around me, as well as closer to home.

I'm very capable of crying and breaking a guy's jaw within the same time span, but back to the topic at hand.........., even in standard AIFF format at upsampled processing rates I'm more then able to say out loud..........., I don't miss LPs or CDs in the least, Brotha B, I'm hearing so much deeper into the emotional aspect of the recordings more so then I've ever heard through any CD player I've owned, and more importantly can sit here for 10 - 13 hour sessions with ease.

Who knew?.

:tears: ( cream-puffing all awhile re-learning how to listen to music, not components ).
 
Bro...before I take things back on point, let me say we all know you're a big softy. And ahh...you mention jacken some cat in his jaw? When I see Ya, don't swing on me bro! Cause you know I know how to floor yo big tale....I'm stomping on that big toe and then taking out yo knees after I duck that slow left jab of yours. Hahahaha! You won't know what hit Ya..and after you take the 15 minutes trying to get up...I'll be long gone. Lol!

Now back on point....a nice set of great usb and RCA's are needed for the Micro to shine. Yes sir, the word micro should not define the performance but the size only. This is truly one master piece of a DAC in engaging a persons full attention.....so detailed without being etched out and yet so musical and romantic when need be. I'd have to believe, if one is not enjoying the Micro with it's abilities, I'm inclined to think its not set up correctly or the supporting gear in part or whole , is not resolving enough. It's one heck of a component for such a great price. And I've not isolated the smearing and vibrations as of yet. Lee Harvey and I have been discussing that very thing. I got my insperation From a link you sent me a few days ago. Can you guess which one?
 
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Bro...before I take things back on point, let me say we all know you're a big softy. And ahh...you mention jacken some cat in his jaw? When I see Ya, don't swing on me bro! Cause you know I know how to floor yo big tale....I'm stomping on that big toe and then taking out yo knees after I duck that slow left jab of yours. Hahahaha! You won't know what hit Ya..and after you take the 15 minutes trying to get up...I'll be long gone. Lol!

Now back on point....a nice set of great usb and RCA's are needed for the Micro to shine. Yes sir, the word micro should not define the performance but the size only. This is truly one master piece of a DAC in engaging a persons full attention.....so detailed without being etched out and yet so musical and romantic when need be. I'd have to believe, if one is not enjoying the Micro with it's abilities, I'm inclined to think its not set up correctly or the supporting gear in part or whole , is not resolving enough. It's one heck of a component for such a great price. And I've not isolated the smearing and vibrations as of yet. Lee Harvey and I have been discussing that very thing. I got my insperation From a link you sent me a few days ago. Can you guess which one?

Little Brotha,

Not the big toe and knees!, I quite.

No fair..........., you know my weaknesses, I'm telling your Mom on you. :nono:

But it's all good, and I stand behind you guys assessment the iDSD is really a wonderful sounding piece, so much so it has made me realize once again that I should've invested in one months ago........, but as the saying goes rather late then never. And I'm going to assume you're talking about those ClubWood Mpingo Footers?, but I'm certain that you'll remind me later.

Right now I'm playing around with the placement of 3 - 4 Synergistic Research ECTs atop the chassis and have both units placed atop 3 Audio Selection Small Spikes and Disc Couplers from Music Direct - you know me............, I'm a believer in properly isolated components.

Later Mi Brotha.
 
Thanks for keeping the information flowing! This thread had gone quiet for a few days & I was afraid it was going to wither on the vine.

For my next questions: I'll need to prioritize the step up procedure - get one thing & then wait awhile to build up more funds before going to the next step. In your opinions, what will give the biggest jump in sound quality - getting the iUSB first or a cable first? And if the cable would be first, would using the adapter that comes between the cable & the micro's USB input negate the advantage of the new cable to start with?

As far as my present setup: with the Micro I'm using the factory USB cable & a set of generic IC's. With the AUNE T1 I'm using a Belkin USB cable & a pair of entry-level Morrow IC's. I don't know what the Morrows are made of, silver or copper, but do know they're solid core as opposed to stranded. I figure everything kind of equals out, the Micro having the better USB & the AUNE having the better IC's. But I'm ready to take a first step upwards - just wondering which would be the best option. Thanks.
 
Hi BenWaB3!

The iUSB will supply clean power and a darker background to the Micro which results in better quality sound....but better cables will let you hear the Micro. So either will improve the audio quality, but if you're thinking of buying interconnects from Micro to the preamp, I'd start there for best sound quality.

Just know one thing. My amp and preamp are both tubes....and the Micro once run in is warm natured. For my taste, with the Micro in system...sound was more of a classic sounding tube sound from the 50's....real warm.

Some cats like that but not me....I have lively tubes and so I had to go with a silver copper blend cable that still kept the body while adding a little liveliness away from the warm...laid back...sleepy time boring classic sound I had before cable upgrades. After cable upgrade, Micro's on point!

Just a heads up for you...so choose your cables wisely, my man seeing the AUNE T1 is tubes. Also once I got new cables...the cables that came with the Micro where like dung in comparison to the Wire world cables.
 
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Thanks for keeping the information flowing! This thread had gone quiet for a few days & I was afraid it was going to wither on the vine.

For my next questions: I'll need to prioritize the step up procedure - get one thing & then wait awhile to build up more funds before going to the next step. In your opinions, what will give the biggest jump in sound quality - getting the iUSB first or a cable first? And if the cable would be first, would using the adapter that comes between the cable & the micro's USB input negate the advantage of the new cable to start with?

As far as my present setup: with the Micro I'm using the factory USB cable & a set of generic IC's. With the AUNE T1 I'm using a Belkin USB cable & a pair of entry-level Morrow IC's. I don't know what the Morrows are made of, silver or copper, but do know they're solid core as opposed to stranded. I figure everything kind of equals out, the Micro having the better USB & the AUNE having the better IC's. But I'm ready to take a first step upwards - just wondering which would be the best option. Thanks.

Once again, you're more then welcome.

And I can only speak for myself in saying I feel this thread could go on for sometimes now, if others were more willing to share their experiences here as opposed to having to venture over to Computer Audiophile or Head - Fi where it seems these products are more readily discussed.

Yet, know that I've used both the iDSD DAC with and without the iUSB Power Supply and find that I'm able to enjoy it either way, so if pressed........., I'd say that a USB cable is certainly able to enhance the overall sound of ones system enough and allows for said time to prioritize ones items to add afterwards - said Belkin USB and Morrow ICs are decent for someone new to the game, yet once your taste evolves ( and it shall ) you'll begin to realize that for a few coins more here or there, you can achieve an even better balance sound wise, as we tend to compromise at times due to budget restrictions, and very seldom take into account that if said cables are chosen wisely off the bat, one is more likely to have them for years to come - whereas if one was to spend on say 4 different ICs that retail for $150 each, then investing that same $600 on a superior IC that best fits into once concept of systematically altering the sonics of said system towards a more structured whole, then and only then does it become clear that buying wise off the bat can prove more then worthwhile - case in point Byron was forced to buy cables in the length needed for his system that retail for $950, but if one takes into account the total amount invested into their systems then it becomes the next logical step not to be cheap where it counts most, and it's the cabling that once again brings it all together if chosen collectly - the other parts aren't going anywhere, so can be added at a later date - in this sense one enhances things where it counts - at the Source.

Others might feel differently about said approach - but what good is having all the parts in place, yet can't hear what they're capable of because of limitations elsewhere?, hence my sense of practicality if you will.

Said WW Starlight USB in tandem with the Alphacore/Goertz TQ 2 that cost more or less around $289 retail will have you smiling ear to ear like the Joker from the original Batman series, and not the one from a few years ago........., whom smile was way to eerie for me, and being a Sci-Fi buff........, that grin bothered the hell out of me.

Small investments for the sake of purity and/or a more balanced whole is more then worthy of ones/your attention to the little, yet important factors like the right flavor in cables - be bold here and venture outwards, once again you can thank me later as I speak on what I consider as the " Truth ", lest you wish to challenge me on these areas where I've ventured more then most, and less then very few.

Cables count............, get it wrong here and nothing else matters.

Open thou mind to growth, and as Spike Lee once said " Do the right thing ".

Peace,
O_o scar
 
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