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HDMI 1.3...and so it begins.

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For those questioning or wondering when display devices will start shipping with 1.3 HDMI or if any processors will decode lossless audio internally via 1.3 HDMI, I present to you a few links for your review.

Marantz Upgrades VP-11S1 Video Projector With HDMI 1.3
http://www.avrev.com/news/0507/16.marantz068.shtml

Onkyo Announces New High-End HDMI 1.3 AV Receivers
http://www.avrev.com/news/0507/02.onkyothx058.shtml

Within 6 months (before christmas) every single high end display device (plasma and projectors) will have models with HDMI 1.3 and the vast majority of high end processors will decode the lossless codecs internally rather than depend on DVD players to do the work.

Two facts that I have been talking about on this site for months. Now, projectors (non sony branded) are doing 1.3 and all processors that currently offer 1.3 also do the decoding internally.

It's only going to get bigger and bigger from here on out, no looking back now.
 
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Before my walking into a showroom with full 5.1 (Aerial Acoustics+full Theta setup+Sony Blu-Ray+Toshiba HD DVD) thru a JVC (cant remember the model) setup, I was never very interested on video presentation. All my life, I was a STEREO person (sorry, maybe even stereotype).

Man, am I smitten by the image of the movies being shown (Descent & fast & Furious II). I have never seen such clarity, color tone etc, ....... and all I can remember being told was HDMI ... something!

Wow! Wow! Wow! if this is HDMI of lesser than the 1.3 U are talking about Eric, I am most certain the 1.3 version U are talking about is even more an eye opener.

Now I have one more wish, ... a better DVD player with HDMI (if possible 1.3 of course - must be from McIntosh) and a minimum 50 incher, or better still a 60 incher, Plasma TV for my music videos/concerts! Well, still STEREO cause I dont think I can go on any further with an additional 3 or more pieces of MC1201's and more Wilson's speakers to match. My brains will burn from thinking how to come out with the right reasons for the change from Stereo to more, .....


I can now understand more why there are passion out there for this kind of fantastic video presentation and surely, I am now looking forward (even more) to visit Ivan and have a feast, not only for my ears and eyes, but also for the senses.

Just to share my FIRST expereince with this kind of video impact - which all along, I never think much of nor pay attention to.

Cheers!
 
Man, am I smitten by the image of the movies being shown (Descent & fast & Furious II). I have never seen such clarity, color tone etc, ....... and all I can remember being told was HDMI ... something!
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It was probably Blu-ray or HD as well. ;)
 
PHC1 said:
It was probably Blu-ray or HD as well. ;)
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Yes Serge, the movies format if I dont remember wrong are of the Blu-ray!:yes:

But the video presentation is so real, the eyes in particular, the wordings (blacn and white), so very clear!:thmbsp:

Now I know I will wait for the MVP881 ....... more time to save for it too!:D

Meanwhile, I will STOP myself from futher temptation by NOT going into such showrooms again until I have the money!:yes:

And be happy with what I have today, my faithful 38 incher Sony Wega CRT TV and the trusty MVP841 .... :banana:
 
Now I know I will wait for the MVP881 ....... more time to save for it too!
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Me too. I hope McIntosh will have the 1.3 along with Blu or HD in the same player. :smoke:
 
This is the stuff that really scares me and my wallet. Except for the debatable advances of DVD-A and SACD, there really hasn't been a qualitative paradigm shift in music-based (i.e., two-channel) home entertainment since, what, CD? Balanced audio? So the pressure to upgrade has been noticeable but resistible for the last 10 years, IMHO.

Not so with video. Everything is moving upward at warp speed. Just six months ago I shelled out for a big Sony LCD screen and was blown away by the picture from my Cambridge Audio DVD player pumped through component video. From everything I have heard about new HDMI it sounds like component video will look like cardboard cutouts. What next? Laser-optical video interface? Jessica Alba appearing live in my living room? I'm getting too old for this.
 
Unless I missed something, the article focused on the limitations of HDMI cables themselves, not the 1.3 standard. :scratch2:
 
Yes, good article. 1.3 is twice the data rate which will double the cable issues. Best to keep the gear real close together with 1.3. HDMI-CEC is actually where a lot of engineering muscle is going. Plug and play stuff.

Thanks,
Ron-C
 
Sounds to me like the market is prime for an HDMI cable buffer/booster, unless something like that is already out there? Is it too late for a patent? :scratch2:
 
You can add an inline amp to any HDMI cable run. The amp just plugs into the cable in-line and powers up. No wall wort is needed. Key Digital makes a good one for a few hundred. The amp is powered by the internal power of the HDMI cable which comes from the source component. The HDMI spec is for a 50 millivolt supply on the 'power lines'. This is too weak over a long run though so McIntosh HDMI models such as the MVP871 and MX120/136 output 200 millivolts.

Thanks,
Ron-C
 
PHC1 said:
Unless I missed something, the article focused on the limitations of HDMI cables themselves, not the 1.3 standard. :scratch2:
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Yes the main focus of the article is about the limitations of the cables themselves,any system that is effected so adversly by cable length will surely have a ton of problems once it becomes the standard.

There are other issues with hdmi as well, like hidden image constraint that will downgrade resolution at the whim of the industry,once again making more equipment obsolete.

Until this technology is proven to be bug free & tamper proof from within the industry that pushed it on us im going to be very leary of investing any serious funds into it.
 
Pan,

HDMI works fine if the gear is well designed and you use high quality cables. The display monitor, source and preamp hub must all be up to snuff or it will be flaky. McIntosh is being very careful with HDMI since no one, especially the luxury buyer wants headaches. Hobbyist will put up with some hassle but not the normal customer.
You can take a DVD player say last year's MVP861 and feed it component to the MX120/135. If you then connect HDMI and Component from the MX to the display you can compare the picture either straight analog Component or MX-scaled digital HDMI. With the picture in pause switching inputs on the display will compare the two pictures. The Component will look good and the scaled, digital HDMI feed from the MX will look dramatically sharper and more dynamic. Pretty cool feature I would say.

Thanks,
Ron-C
 
Its a mistake for any company to release a DVD player now without thinking of the formats in the future.
If I was a shareholder I'd be gripping some necks.
What's the point, to squeeze out some dollars in the next year only to release a new model and piss everyone off?
No, shoulda waitied.
Let the little dogs come out with their $300 machines...when the dust settles, the leaders will release the final machines.
 
Harley,

DVD players take more than a year to engineer depending on high your goals are. In the case of a universal player you also have to concentrate on the audio side as in a straight audiophile piece. The customers want it all in a universal.

Thanks,
Ron-C
 
Harley,

Since you need a 1.3 HDMI equipped monitor to use 1.3 and 99.99% of all sets sold, even new models are not 1.3 what is the point? If you just bought a state of the art 1080p set without 1.3 should you junk it? Monitors do last 50,000 hours or more. In the case of the 871 you have the whole audio side to consider as well.
Most folks are into buying and renting DVDs today. Unless the set is very large or you sit very close most of this specmanship is just web chat. The picture is great on today's sets with normal DVDs, especially with good old 1.1 HDMI.
I get a kick out of how many videophiles are not using the best source which is over the air HD broadcast. Cable and Sat. are noticeable steps down. DVDs are all over the map picture wise but this is the nature of film.

Thanks,
Ron-C
 
ron-c said:
Harley,

Since you need a 1.3 HDMI equipped monitor to use 1.3 and 99.99% of all sets sold, even new models are not 1.3 what is the point? If you just bought a state of the art 1080p set without 1.3 should you junk it? Monitors do last 50,000 hours or more. In the case of the 871 you have the whole audio side to consider as well.
Most folks are into buying and renting DVDs today. Unless the set is very large or you sit very close most of this specmanship is just web chat. The picture is great on today's sets with normal DVDs, especially with good old 1.1 HDMI.
I get a kick out of how many videophiles are not using the best source which is over the air HD broadcast. Cable and Sat. are noticeable steps down. DVDs are all over the map picture wise but this is the nature of film.

Thanks,
Ron-C
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I for one, "Will not upgrade to 1.3" and you can quote me on that! :yes:
 
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