Heresy advice please...

[bonzoro]

Everyone hearing is a little different, everyone's system is different, everyone's listening room is different, everyone's taste in music is different. Some like subs, some don't. All that matters is, are you enjoying the music. I listen to mostly jazz and have dual subwoofers in my den system. But now that I've gotten Heresy's for the shop system, I'm not sure I need them, and if I turn them into supper heresy's, will I really need one? Time will tell.

]If you build SUPPER HERESY's, don't eat them for SUPER

 

[ClaudeJ1]

This thread got me thinking.

Question (since we’re on the subject of subs with Klipsch; many apologies if this is considered derailing): I have modified Klipschorns with stock woofers. They are sealed to corners on the long wall in a room 20’ x 15’ x 10’ H. They are not installed in perfect/symmetrical corners—in that, except on one side, I don’t get the required full 4’ of completely uninterrupted walls on each of all four sides. I know I would benefit from subs (although I recently had an audiophile friend over who assured me “bass is not your problem”).

Any suggestions for very shallow, small-footprint, attractive walnut(?) subs that could sit directly in front of the KHorns, and that would add noticeable, worthwhile bass? They could also be installed directly under the Klipschorns in the basement (floors are just old, porous, wide-plank pine). I’m not looking for MWMs/MCMs. And unless my income changes, I won’t be getting Jubilees anytime soon.

My issue is WAF. She has come to love/accept the Klipschorns. Not sure I can extend too far out in front of them. Coytee? ClaudeJ1? Thanks, anyone.

—Kurious with a K.

Modern sub drivers in small sealed boxes can be Equalized pretty flat since there's a lot of cabin gain at about 30 Hz. and below. Try the Eminence LAB 12 drivers and modern class D amps with digital EQ bands. Know a good carpenter? Or look at some of the Parts Express Kits. You'd be suprised at what Twin 15's can do in a sealed box! Lots of kits from Parts-Express Subwoofer World.

To work with Khorns you need time delay capabiley, which is provided by any modern Pre Pro or Higher End AVR's. I'm a Yamaha man CX-A5xxx series.

But I agree with Coytee overall. I only offer a second option that can be made to work with Khorns.

 

[jvstratman]

I see Heresys come up fairly often on CL.

Which series is the best sounding after Superizing? Bang for buck if you will?

I have Forte 1's with bass to spare but am curious about Super Heresy for another room. I prefer no sub because I only use tube amps with center channel capability and am worried about timing. Should I be?

 

[opnly bafld]

I prefer no sub because I only use tube amps with center channel capability and am worried about timing. Should I be?

Use subs with speaker level inputs.

 

[Sgt Shultz]

I see Heresys come up fairly often on CL.

Which series is the best sounding after Superizing? Bang for buck if you will?

I have Forte 1's with bass to spare but am curious about Super Heresy for another room. I prefer no sub because I only use tube amps with center channel capability and am worried about timing. Should I be?

Set up as stands in stereo they sound as one even with a budget sub like the Dayton Audio Sub 1200.

As I mentioned earlier it preserves the Heresy sound only BIGGER now with 25hz capability. Freeing them up to move out away from the walls dramatically improves imaging and soundstage.

When people ask me to describe the Heresy sound it's like this, "with my Infinitys I'm there, the Heresys they're here. So if wanting to invite Mic and the boys over for a jam it's the Heresys."

 

[David D]

Are any of you using crossovers to biamp your Heresy/subwoofer setup? My current configuration is a McIntosh MX110Z with the main outs connected directly to an MC225 that drive my Heresy 1’s. The L+R (center channel) out feeds a Crown VFX-2A with the low pass out connected to a Crown DC300A that drives a 15” JBL subwoofer. I know I could (should?) use the crossover to limit the low end feed to the MC225 and Heresies, but I’m trying to keep the signal path to everything above subwoofer frequencies as pure as possible. Am I helping or hurting performance with this approach?

 

[jvstratman]

I have a few Dayton Audio 1000 10" subs for surround systems and acoustic guitar amp subs. They sound very good in those applications.

Time to play a little.

 

[ClaudeJ1]

Set up as stands in stereo they sound as one even with a budget sub like the Dayton Audio Sub 1200.

As I mentioned earlier it preserves the Heresy sound only BIGGER now with 25hz capability. Freeing them up to move out away from the walls dramatically improves imaging and soundstage.

When people ask me to describe the Heresy sound it's like this, "with my Infinitys I'm there, the Heresys they're here. So if wanting to invite Mic and the boys over for a jam it's the Heresys."

Agree. Great way to adjust to taste. Position is all a compromise. Live with your favorite one.

 

[ClaudeJ1]

I see Heresys come up fairly often on CL.

Which series is the best sounding after Superizing? Bang for buck if you will?

I have Forte 1's with bass to spare but am curious about Super Heresy for another room. I prefer no sub because I only use tube amps with center channel capability and am worried about timing. Should I be?

You'll be happy with Super Heresy and no sub.

 

[cecaa850]

This thread got me thinking.

Question (since we’re on the subject of subs with Klipsch; many apologies if this is considered derailing): I have modified Klipschorns with stock woofers. They are sealed to corners on the long wall in a room 20’ x 15’ x 10’ H. They are not installed in perfect/symmetrical corners—in that, except on one side, I don’t get the required full 4’ of completely uninterrupted walls on each of all four sides. I know I would benefit from subs (although I recently had an audiophile friend over who assured me “bass is not your problem”).

Any suggestions for very shallow, small-footprint, attractive walnut(?) subs that could sit directly in front of the KHorns, and that would add noticeable, worthwhile bass? They could also be installed directly under the Klipschorns in the basement (floors are just old, porous, wide-plank pine). I’m not looking for MWMs/MCMs. And unless my income changes, I won’t be getting Jubilees anytime soon.

My issue is WAF. She has come to love/accept the Klipschorns. Not sure I can extend too far out in front of them. Coytee? ClaudeJ1? Thanks, anyone.

—Kurious with a K.

Look into building a table tuba with a 10" driver. You can lay them on their side, and they're horn loaded.

 

[Gigantic]

I see Heresys come up fairly often on CL.

Which series is the best sounding after Superizing? Bang for buck if you will?

I have Forte 1's with bass to spare but am curious about Super Heresy for another room. I prefer no sub because I only use tube amps with center channel capability and am worried about timing. Should I be?

Heresy 1 are generally considered the best candidate for making super: the birch ply cabinets are superior to the later MDF cabs and the crossovers are good to go and only need recapping to bring them up to spec.

I have zero issues with timing with my Heresies and subs. As @ClaudeJ1 frequently points out, they’re one of the most time coherent speakers available.

 

[jvstratman]

Heresy 1 are generally considered the best candidate for making super: the birch ply cabinets are superior to the later MDF cabs and the crossovers are good to go and only need recapping to bring them up to spec.

I have zero issues with timing with my Heresies and subs. As @ClaudeJ1 frequently points out, they’re one of the most time coherent speakers available.

I will pursue Heresy 1's then. I'm in no hurry because I have a few very nice pairs of speakers.

Thanks to all