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How Demanding A Listener Are You?

musichal

poet emeritus
I've found myself writing of other various AKers (and thinking the same about many of you) that this specific member is a more demanding listener than I am. Compared to some of you I'm just a piker. I'm pretty forgiving when it comes to speakers. Not that picky at all.

Of course, every friend and family member would laugh at that statement. They know I'm picky about audio.

"No, that won't work. We can't move his speakers, we'll have to put the tree over here."

"Yeah, we can listen to a Christmas record while we decorate, but when you pull the record that's on there now, off, you have to put it in its sleeve, then turn it ninety degrees and put in the jacket, and there's this brush - you better just let me do it."

"He won't know, that's just ridiculous. I can put on a record, for chrisake - but this other one is stuck, I can't get the old record off-"

"I better do it. It can be tricky with his Thorens because some records fit real tight."

The things you hear from another room. Of course, that's not even the bad stuff - I've learned not to even try to hear what the women in another room are saying about me. Or, at least to act like I don't, and didn't. But, the point is that I bet all of us here pretty much share the picky label among our friends and family when it comes to listening to our music.

However, when I've written that so-and-so is a more demanding listener than I, it certainly isn't meant as criticism. Don't let the connotative meaning of picky infect this paragraph from the preceding few sentences. Perhaps some of these friends hear better than I, or at least different. I don't think it's a lack of discrimination on my part, I hear differences. They just don't always mean that much to me.

When I was a big kid working in a candy store, I could marvel at how good a $200 speaker sounded on the NAD while my buddy was all excited about listening to the new $3000 pair on ARC.

Dave said, "You always like cheap speakers."

Of course, I got to the new, expensive ones soon enough. They damn well better sound better. Invariably, they did, but there've been times when I had just as much fun and enjoyment with the cheap ones. So, yeah, let's just say I'm pretty forgiving when it comes to speakers.

Of course, I like to have good SQ, but that isn't the only determinant for my fun. Not always even the main one in play. Where I am, who I'm with, the occasion or lack thereof, whether the music fits my mood, are others, just off the top of my head, and for you, too, I'm sure.

I just think some of you are more demanding about realism. Reproducing the music with as large a soundstage, as accurate an image, as dynamic and revelatory as the recording allows. Whereas I'm satisfied with a decent facsimile with pretty good resolution. It is said good is the enemy of the great. That may about sum me up as an audio enthusiast.

So when I say someone is more demanding than I am as a listener, I feel it's just a simple observation, with a neutral, perhaps even complimentary, aura. Or maybe I'm just lazy, crazy, or hazy. You may say all three and that wouldn't phase me.
 
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I am both, there are times when I am totally anal and critical and there are times I listen to music in the car :)

Nobody touches my disks other than my wife and I.
Nobody touches my system other than my wife and I.
Nothing ever gets put on top of the speakers.

Lots of time I listen to the music, other times I listen to the gear.
 
Depends. Busy around the house, FM's just fine. Sitting on the couch by myself, very. Sitting on the couch with my wife, not so much. She likes to sing but there's a cure for that. Stick with acoustic music.
 
I'd say I'm not extremely picky I can totally be happy with a cheap radio or speakers because I enjoy music regardless even if it's a little impure. I try to teach good practices like using the cueing lever to drop the needle. I don't worry about using the brush every time unless it's to the level of distortion that requires it or if crud collected on the needle. I tend to clean used records when I first get them then just do occasional maintenance as necessary. I taught my girlfriend the basics of using the gear.

I tend to listen with the tone controls off more often now than I did in the past but will use them when the fancy strikes me. I particularly use them when I'm listening to a source that needs adjustment like an old reel to reel tape. I kind of like having a number of options for adjustment with a tone bypass option. I nerd out about the hobby a hair too much with folks that don't necessarily get it. I try not to chase the dragon has far as extreme quality. Not to say I don't want to trade around and try new stuff but mostly because I want to hear it rather than to achieve some perfect end goal.
 
I'm demanding... But not in an experienced way I guess. I want good sound quality and i want it all the time. Even though that's not always possible. But more to the point I want a good mix, and I want it all the time. I am quickly finding that this is not so easily the case... I can listen to some stuff and it just sings. The balance feels pretty good, the lows don't feel empty, etc. Then I can go listen to something else and its overbearing or, the highs are too harsh, etc.


I've always been somewhat of a bass head, and I like my chiptunes and stuff... my bro likes to pick on me about that stuff. If it came to records I probably would NOT let other people touch my vinyl. I am very picky about touching my things in general, however. I would let my dad handle them if he wanted, because I know that he knows how to handle a record (probably better than I am sometimes guilty of).

tbh I'm picky about everything, music holds no special place in this regard.
 
It varies. Sometimes I'm in the mood for quality and only my main system will do. Sometimes I'm in the mood for hearing a tune and I'm happy with the stereo in the truck or earbuds on my phone.
 
I have my own curves set up on an EQ that has a remote control, I make adjustments and start the song over if the instrumentals don’t sound right. If a piano has been part of your life...for most of your life, dull out of key recordings are rejected.
 
Being a demanding listener usually costs decent money that I don't necessarily have to spend on audio. That being said, there are things one can do to improve sound that cost nothing.

Vacuum cleaning records, using a discwasher brush prior to each play, aligning one's cartridge, using a scale to set VTF, fixing any mechanical problems with gear, recapping speakers, placing speakers, etc are all things that don't cost a dime but make a difference on the quality of sound. For me that is what this hobby is about, trying to optimize what I have.
 
I am now that I’m retired and have the time to be. I enjoy the music but now have the time to make sure that the music I enjoy sounds right to me and the way I like it .

Audiofreak71
 
I don't have much in the way of a system. However... NO one is allowed to touch it. I often tell people they're not even allowed to look at my speakers for too long. ;) I've recently come to find I hate listening to music on anything other than my system. I have to put up with it. But, hopefully for not too long. Girlfriend's stock car stereo playing FM - brother blasting (into distortion) marginally tuned FM station on a 15 year old cheap, no-name shelf system... WTF?!? It just hurts my ears. Breath... rant over. Hi! :bye:
 
I rarely have music on in the background, except when hosting a cocktail party (like last night when I had Bach Trios playing), and occasionally when I’m doing indoor chores. My JBL L830 bookshelf size speakers in my dining room and kitchen/breakfast room are OK for this low volume background listening role.

Late at night if I can’t sleep, I’m content with my mono system, which has a nice mellow sound, and is appropriate for soft listening levels: The speaker is a single Klipsch WF-35. Source is an older CD player. Fisher TA 500 (1950s era AM/FM mono tube receiver). This system can deliver a pleasant simulacrum of classical music (vs. creating the illusion that I’m in the symphony hall).

Most of my listening involves intently listening to classical music, and I use one of my larger systems that excel at approximating the concert hall experience. My goals are for reproduced classical music to sound as “real” as possible relative to a live performance in the symphony hall, and for the inevitable distortions to be pleasant vs. unpleasant. And to enjoy my hobby of collecting and tinkering with hi-fi equipment (particularly vintage vacuum tube amps).

Classical music lovers often must decide which is more important: performance quality, or audio quality of a recording. I’m not a music scholar, and I’m not hyper-critical of a performance. However, I have no tolerance for poor audio quality. I therefore choose modern performances of classical music that were recorded in hi-res, and delivered on SACD, Blu-ray, or a hi-res download. In contrast, some classical music fans are willing to tolerate poor audio quality in order to enjoy what they regard as the best performance of a classical composition. These trade-offs are common with opera. For example, some people are huge fans of Maria Callas – but I usually can’t tolerate the relatively poor audio quality of the vintage recordings (even the remastered ones).

I believe that people have differing sensitivities to various aspects of sound. For example, apparently some people are very sensitive to spatial presentation - but I don’t care about that. I care about the natural timbre of orchestral instruments being reproduced faithfully, and recreating (within reasonable limits) the full range sound of a full symphony orchestra (i.e., frequency range and dynamic range).

Bottom line: I’m fairly demanding of audio quality, but I’m not hyper-critical to the point where I’m never satisfied. With high-quality modern recordings I’m able to realize audio quality that is good enough that I forget about the equipment and focus on the music. And I’m happy with that.
 
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I'll use a different term: discerning. I'm a highly discerning listener with a fortuitously long term exposure to live, unamplified music and the truly phenomenal systems of two audio reviewer mentors and am thus sensitive to a wide range of audio system imperfections.

When it comes to enjoyment, however, I dance with the one I'm with. I love the airy, realistic presentation the big stats can deliver on well recorded content. OTOH, you'll find me as often in the garage enjoying the outdoors infused with music. :)
 
I rarely have music on in the background, except when hosting a cocktail party (like last night when I had Bach Trios playing), and occasionally when I’m doing indoor chores.

Late at night if I can’t sleep, I’m content with my mono system, which has a nice mellow sound, and is appropriate for soft listening levels: The speaker is a single Klipsch WF-35. Source is an older CD player. Fisher TA 500 (1950s era AM/FM mono tube receiver). This system can deliver a pleasant simulacrum of classical music (vs. creating the illusion that I’m in the symphony hall).

Most of my listening involves intently listening to classical music, and I use one of my larger systems that excel at approximating the concert hall experience. My goals are for reproduced classical music to sound as “real” as possible relative to a live performance in the symphony hall, and for the inevitable distortions to be pleasant vs. unpleasant. And to enjoy my hobby of collecting and tinkering with hi-fi equipment (particularly vintage vacuum tube amps).

Classical music lovers often must decide which is more important: performance quality, or audio quality of a recording. I’m not a music scholar, and I’m not hyper-critical of a performance. However, I have no tolerance for poor audio quality. I therefore choose modern performances of classical music that were recorded in hi-res, and delivered on SACD, Blu-ray, or a hi-res download. In contrast, some classical music fans are willing to tolerate poor audio quality in order to enjoy what they regard as the best performance of a classical composition. These trade-offs are common with opera. For example, some people are huge fans of Maria Callas – but I usually can’t tolerate the relatively poor audio quality of the vintage recordings (even the remastered ones).

I believe that people have differing sensitivities to various aspects of sound. For example, apparently some people are very sensitive to spatial presentation - but I don’t care about that. I care about the natural timbre of orchestral instruments being reproduced faithfully, and recreating (within reasonable limits) the full range sound of a full symphony orchestra (i.e., frequency range and dynamic range).

Bottom line: I’m fairly demanding of audio quality, but I’m not hyper-critical to the point where I’m never satisfied. With high-quality modern recordings I’m able to realize audio quality that is good enough that I forget about the equipment and focus on the music. And I’m happy with that.

A well-reasoned response. I agree with several points here. However, I am not a big opera fan, but those rare times when I do listen, it is usually one of those Callas recordings. I've been on a bit of a classical jag lately, playing with new tuner and home-made antennas and have been amazed how good it sounds OTA FM. Nice post.


I'll use a different term: discerning. I'm a highly discerning listener with a fortuitously long term exposure to live, unamplified music and the truly phenomenal systems of two audio reviewer mentors and am thus sensitive to a wide range of audio system imperfections.

When it comes to enjoyment, however, I dance with the one I'm with. I love the airy, realistic presentation the big stats can deliver on well recorded content. OTOH, you'll find me as often in the garage enjoying the outdoors infused with music. :)

Yes. When it comes to system-building, you'd not stop where I am. Or that is... your path differs from mine, based on our differing experiences. I wouldn't need my toes to count the number of live orchestral concerts I've attended in my whole life. Nor have I spent time with the best big-panel speakers. Your experiences make you a more demanding listener than me, even though I do have my own level of expectations well above the norm for gen-pop.

And is it JoeESP9 who often speaks of spending time at the Kimmel Center? If I were constantly experiencing live classical concerts, would I feel impelled to go further? Probably.
 
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I'm with you Robert_kc, only a very few special pieces will I tolerate a poor quality recording. Face it, even the vintage Kind of Blue album is extremely well recorded (considering the time) so to me a poor quality recording is a lack of respect to the art.
This really becomes an issue as you go up the chain in equipment, the flaws become more noticeable.
I strive to be able to recreate a believable facsimile of a live performance with much of what I listen to. Some of it is very close.
 
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