Quadman2
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True, but necessary in today's world. Face value has, as you pointed out...lost its meaning.
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How much TV/radio NEWS do you believe?
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True, but necessary in today's world. Face value has, as you pointed out...lost its meaning.
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jcsperson
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The biggest problems with the news today are passing off editorials as news and fake news.
As you go farther to the right or left on that chart, the more you see of what I call "editorializing on the fly." Sometimes the anchor does it, but more likely the anchor brings in an "expert" on the topic at hand. The network's choice of "expert" and the types of questions the presenter asks of him or her reveals its bias. Experts whose ideology is aligned with the network get softball questions and nods. Those whose aren't get frowns and a good grilling. This is BBC News America's MO.
Fake news takes us right back to William Randolph Hearst and Yellow Journalism. Any schmuck with a computer and access to the internet can write whatever they want. As someone mentioned above, as long as that "news" aligns with the readers beliefs, it's credible to them. The pandemic has brought with it a deluge of fake news.
As you go farther to the right or left on that chart, the more you see of what I call "editorializing on the fly." Sometimes the anchor does it, but more likely the anchor brings in an "expert" on the topic at hand. The network's choice of "expert" and the types of questions the presenter asks of him or her reveals its bias. Experts whose ideology is aligned with the network get softball questions and nods. Those whose aren't get frowns and a good grilling. This is BBC News America's MO.
Fake news takes us right back to William Randolph Hearst and Yellow Journalism. Any schmuck with a computer and access to the internet can write whatever they want. As someone mentioned above, as long as that "news" aligns with the readers beliefs, it's credible to them. The pandemic has brought with it a deluge of fake news.
grillebilly
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It's both the disease and the cure. Everyone's an expert in the information age.
If I could go back 40 years and ask all of us if they envisioned the future being one where everything we say, write, or look at will be monitored and cataloged, and our lives will be run by personal electronics, you would dismiss me as a tinfoil hat wearing mental case.
If you follow the money, as in who funds or donates, you can then understand why they push what they push. Also, almost every "News" outlet is owned by less than 10 people so it is easy to understand why you hear the same exact things being parroted from many stations at the same time. Same thing with today's Universities, look who funds them and see why they peddle in CRT.
stereofanboy
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They are all pushing an agenda. The cable news channels are more blatant and clownish about it, while ABC-CBS-NBC show more gravitas as if they believe we trust and respect them. Those days are so gone.
Anyone whose memory can span even a year can think of instances when they straight facedly reported things that turned out to be completely wrong. They never admit they were wrong.
Can you imagine what it must be like for them? To know that everyone you meet and interact with knows what a phony you are? That the only ones with any respect for you are either village idiot level morons or small children? That your daily efforts bring real and lasting harm to the world? That you'll go back and do the same tomorrow?
How is it that these people don't have an astronomically high suicide rate? Why do recent graduates join this profession every year? Why aren't veterans leaving the profession at rates that would make California blush?
Anyone whose memory can span even a year can think of instances when they straight facedly reported things that turned out to be completely wrong. They never admit they were wrong.
Can you imagine what it must be like for them? To know that everyone you meet and interact with knows what a phony you are? That the only ones with any respect for you are either village idiot level morons or small children? That your daily efforts bring real and lasting harm to the world? That you'll go back and do the same tomorrow?
How is it that these people don't have an astronomically high suicide rate? Why do recent graduates join this profession every year? Why aren't veterans leaving the profession at rates that would make California blush?
Well said. Seems like many things the "News" told us a few years ago were conspiracy theories are now becoming Truth, with zero corrections. The Science didn't change, the Lies did.
I also ask myself how do these broadcasters even sleep at night after lying to their viewers every day. The answer is Money, like everywhere else.
Kudos to the few who have broken free of the lies, propaganda, and mis-information they were forced to parrot.
My favorite thing to watch is when someone puts a collage together of about 40 different networks and broadcasters all saying the exact same words like "A threat to our democracy" or "The most secure election ever" and that list can go on and on.
The CIA took over our media many many years ago, possibly from the start of TV - Television - Tell A Vision
Tiver
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I can't go along with the previously posted chart too well. News and analysis are coexistent in the chart's upper tier. That says, "These are the facts and this is how we see them". Whoa, back it up a bit. Analysis is editorial, not news. Analysis is fine, but mixing it in as a metric for credibility is quite slippery.
Editorial journalism has peppered almost every aspect of information being delivered. I vote on the 20% truth line, but still need to be wary as I realize most likely there are purposeful omissions. Sometimes to dumb things down other times because they don't sync with the messenger's analysis.
Editorial journalism has peppered almost every aspect of information being delivered. I vote on the 20% truth line, but still need to be wary as I realize most likely there are purposeful omissions. Sometimes to dumb things down other times because they don't sync with the messenger's analysis.
Pio1980
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Even without overt bias, events and issues that may have an effect on individuals are, as a whole, too vast to pass thru a relatively narrow time and attention restricted window. Bias, intentional or unintentional may determine which of these gets how much attention for how long, editorial decisions that may have nothing or everything to do with factual veracity.
Re the survey, I declined to respond as it depends on the sources one exposes oneself and ones own biases, and is therefore indefinite.
Re the survey, I declined to respond as it depends on the sources one exposes oneself and ones own biases, and is therefore indefinite.
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and a wise man once told me "You can't tell an expert anything "
I turn on national TV news for a few minutes every few years.
I do this to remind me to be thankful for my good health and that I don't have any of the maladies or side-effects from the drugs being peddled.
Never watch the local news where the "meteorologist" breathlessly explains what to do during a 1" snow emergency.
I don't need to watch it because they will run a banner or break in during your favorite program.
I tend to trust AP reporting more than other sources and was glad to see that it was at the top of the chart in a previous post.
I do this to remind me to be thankful for my good health and that I don't have any of the maladies or side-effects from the drugs being peddled.
Never watch the local news where the "meteorologist" breathlessly explains what to do during a 1" snow emergency.
I don't need to watch it because they will run a banner or break in during your favorite program.
I tend to trust AP reporting more than other sources and was glad to see that it was at the top of the chart in a previous post.
I worked for AP Network News in downtown Washington from June-Dec in 1992. I was there doing technical support work, not reporting,
but it was interesting watching their news gathering approach up close during the Olympics in Sarejevo, 5 Space Shuttle Launches,
and the Presidential campaign of that year, (including the conventions).
I actually stayed late at work on Election night, just to see it up close.
Working for AP soured me on other news sources for quite a few years.
but it was interesting watching their news gathering approach up close during the Olympics in Sarejevo, 5 Space Shuttle Launches,
and the Presidential campaign of that year, (including the conventions).
I actually stayed late at work on Election night, just to see it up close.
Working for AP soured me on other news sources for quite a few years.
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grillebilly
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…and “I trust a man who is often wrong more than one who always thinks he’s right”
Quadman2
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A valid point you make when you narrowed down your take on "overt" bias.
It is really impossible to eliminate bias from reporting, or the writing up of reports. It's just human nature that can oft times interfere with the message. I write this as I was made fully aware of this trait of human nature, having to deal with testing and setting standards for a huge a sampling of population, and doing assessment of the findings. Bias can be controlled to a degree, and one can highten the awareness of this characteristic, but it can't be totally be deleted. Our past, and all that what makes us who/what were are."Overt" indicates "intent", which disassociates the message from being impartial, which is what NEWS should be! And, this is why I started this poll to see to what degree others thought this form of public media to be in being both reliable and valid in make up.
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Quadman2
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And, If I might add, "He admits when he is wrong" with the ability of the listener to know the difference.
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Looks like we will be stopping our daily paper. The local papers are nothing like they use to be. A hollow shell of what was. If any local in depth reporting it will be a rarity. Paper have shrunk even the Sunday is lacking coupons.
That was the final straw for SWMBO!
Not so long ago we received two papers each day except Sunday when only one.
So internet, radio and TV it is it seems.
The new normal.
The days of sitting with a cup of coffee and a paper are gone.
That was the final straw for SWMBO!
Not so long ago we received two papers each day except Sunday when only one.
So internet, radio and TV it is it seems.
The new normal.
The days of sitting with a cup of coffee and a paper are gone.
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