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HT shipwrecked.......newer Mc Home Theater preamps with vintage Mc amps.....and other questions.

My Mc used Audessey which was built in and simply plug and play. Dirac is more complex for sure. I watched the tutorials on You Tube which seem straightforward. The issue I am having is my network does not recognize the Emotiva. Not sure why yet but I'll figure it out when I have some time. I have my sound guy scheduled for Monday so I'll have more information to report then.

I was going to suggest you open a thread on Emotiva Lounge (Emotiva's support forum, Keith from Emotiva I think is the processor guru and participates pretty regularly), but I did a quick Google for XMC-1 not being able to connect and it looks like you are not alone and there are several threads there already. Several threads are listed below -- I didn't read these, but hopefully they help (or maybe start a new thread there if not). If you are using a Mac, it sounds like you might have better luck with a Windows computer:

https://emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/49900/dirac-app-recognizing-xmc1
https://emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/38736/xmc-1-network-setup-problem
https://emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/51446/wits-end-dirac-live-xmc
https://emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/54069/discovery-xmc-1-over-lan
https://emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/40621/wifi-xmc-1-dirac
 
It seems that a lot of these HT processors don't play well with Mac computers. The McIntosh MX151 wants a PC/windows based machine to access the adjustments, correct?? (although not mandatory to do this through a computer interface it's supposed to be simpler).
 
Ok. I am going out on a limb here and will put the chicken wire up in front of me (think The Blues Brothers playing at Bobs Country Bunker!).

There have been soooo many posts about trying to combine dedicated 2 channel premium vintage equipment with HT.

Lots of back ‘n forth on this.

IMVHO, I say keep them separate. You already have Mc’s that will stand the test of time. Buy an appropriate pre-amp and keep your system separate.

Then…(here it comes)

purchase a separate sound bar system ( say a 3.1 or a 5.1) for relatively little $’s.

Again, IMVHO, they sound terrific and very easy to use which might appeal to the boss.

Just say’n…

Soundbar? Soundbar???????

You did NOT just say that :)

They don't make chicken wire strong enough to protect you!!! :):)

I'm only joking above, but I'll be honest and say that I've never heard a soundbar I liked. I put a 7.1 Nakamichi soundbar in our bedroom -- that system was supposed to be all the rage, but I am very unimpressed with the sound of it. I had a cheap Vizio 5.1 soundbar in that room before -- it was actually pretty good for the price, but very far short of a real 5.1 system. I was expecting the Nakamichi to be light years better, it was really only modestly better despite being 4 times the price.

I'm, however, "all in" for playing country AND western on a dedicated preamp.
 
It seems that a lot of these HT processors don't play well with Mac computers. The McIntosh MX151 wants a PC/windows based machine to access the adjustments, correct?? (although not mandatory to do this through a computer interface it's supposed to be simpler).

Usually the main problems are with Catalina (where Apple stopped supporting 32-bit applications, which created a LOT of issues) or Big Sur, which is tailored for Apples new proprietary processors. The Emotiva/Dirac software seems to be much more specific -- the XMC-1 product page has this in the fine print (I've never seen only 2 specific versions supported -- the chances of anybody still running those versions today are pretty slim):
This version will also run on Apple computers running MacOS 10.9 (Mavericks) or MacOS 10.10 (Yosemite).
 
It seems that a lot of these HT processors don't play well with Mac computers. The McIntosh MX151 wants a PC/windows based machine to access the adjustments, correct?? (although not mandatory to do this through a computer interface it's supposed to be simpler).

You have the option of using a PC to make adjustments. It's not mandatory though. I set up my MX-151 using the HDMI out to my monitor, putting the MX-151 in setup mode and following the manual instructions along with using the User Menu & Installer Menu inserts provided.

I use URC remotes for my system control. They do take a bit of up front programming but they work very well and are robust pieces as well.

I've owned several MX series units. The MX-119 was rock solid and it had a good 2 channel pre-amp section. It's only shortcoming for me was the lack of HDMI connectivity. The MX-135 had all the connections I would ever need but it was always failing. It went to two different McIntosh certified repair centers 3 times. Once I unpacked it after the last repair it failed within 30 minutes.

The MX-135 experience almost soured me on getting another MX unit but a friend of mine has a MX-121 and loves it. So I traded in the MX-135 on an MX-151 last Spring. That unit has been fantastic and I'm really enjoying it but it's a bear to set up.

If I had to replace the MX-151 due to repeated failures I probably would not go McIntosh for my next Pre-Amp/Processor.
 
Soundbar? Soundbar???????

You did NOT just say that :)

They don't make chicken wire strong enough to protect you!!! :):)

I'm only joking above, but I'll be honest and say that I've never heard a soundbar I liked. I put a 7.1 Nakamichi soundbar in our bedroom -- that system was supposed to be all the rage, but I am very unimpressed with the sound of it. I had a cheap Vizio 5.1 soundbar in that room before -- it was actually pretty good for the price, but very far short of a real 5.1 system. I was expecting the Nakamichi to be light years better, it was really only modestly better despite being 4 times the price.

I'm, however, "all in" for playing country AND western on a dedicated preamp.

Great post! Love the fact that you understood my references and responded in kind!

Anyway, I knew that this was a slippery slope but, I tried the “integration with a 2 ch. system” approach ( and just to be clear, I am not one of the fortunate AK’ers that own McIntosh equipment) and for a variety of reasons, it did not work out for me.

I feel that this is a collision of two worlds that require a lot of effort (which many of the AK’ers are more than happy to do). My sense is to keep them separate and let them do what they do best.

OBTW…I use the Visio sound bar system that you mention above and I agree that it is a good value for the money and it does the job at least for me.
 
They DO take some effort, special systems come from special effort. It's how freaks like us end up on forums like these......:)

So I'm testing the latest entry through the door, an earlier gen Blu-Ray with some really good test results out the gate. Lookin' for a sonic change from my Oppo so I bought an old high end machine on the cheap.But more importantly, because of the failure of the pre-pro I'm using one of my MC250 with the Blu-Ray running as source. And it's making a very strong "don't forget about us" sort of statement. The more I listen to this mini-kit - the Blu-Ray into the 250 into the Cornwalls - that amp has a way with how it works with that speaker, making a case for actually succeeding in the "2 channel within HT" concept I'm seeking. It might result in a rack full 'O Mac but this may not be an issue - just a "point" in a list of many. The response at modest levels is really noteworthy.

I'm going to be testing the Cornwall woofers (old vs. new) in a self-pre-fabbed listening battery to see whether they get replaced (along with the midrange and tweeters and crossovers and.....). I did a similar test with a series of woofers for my Belle Klipsch, finding the dragonslayer for those without changing their essence, and since the theater is getting a rebuild we're examining all of the components for future suitability.

HT as 2 channel IS a slippery slope, I slipped down the slope before :crazy: But I have picked up on some stuff too, and I think this will have better success this time around. Famous last words.



You have the option of using a PC to make adjustments. It's not mandatory though. I set up my MX-151 using the HDMI out to my monitor, putting the MX-151 in setup mode and following the manual instructions along with using the User Menu & Installer Menu inserts provided.

I use URC remotes for my system control. They do take a bit of up front programming but they work very well and are robust pieces as well.

I've owned several MX series units. The MX-119 was rock solid and it had a good 2 channel pre-amp section. It's only shortcoming for me was the lack of HDMI connectivity. The MX-135 had all the connections I would ever need but it was always failing. It went to two different McIntosh certified repair centers 3 times. Once I unpacked it after the last repair it failed within 30 minutes.

The MX-135 experience almost soured me on getting another MX unit but a friend of mine has a MX-121 and loves it. So I traded in the MX-135 on an MX-151 last Spring. That unit has been fantastic and I'm really enjoying it but it's a bear to set up.

If I had to replace the MX-151 due to repeated failures I probably would not go McIntosh for my next Pre-Amp/Processor.

Yeah, I sorta get that. Not gonna keep getting bit, that's understandable.

I'm curious if the memory stick just plugs into the pre-pro (there is a USB spot back there) to back up the settings or does that have to be done through the PC. I can slog my way through the menus but I sure wanna back that stuff up......
 
They DO take some effort, special systems come from special effort. It's how freaks like us end up on forums like these......:)

So I'm testing the latest entry through the door, an earlier gen Blu-Ray with some really good test results out the gate. Lookin' for a sonic change from my Oppo so I bought an old high end machine on the cheap.But more importantly, because of the failure of the pre-pro I'm using one of my MC250 with the Blu-Ray running as source. And it's making a very strong "don't forget about us" sort of statement. The more I listen to this mini-kit - the Blu-Ray into the 250 into the Cornwalls - that amp has a way with how it works with that speaker, making a case for actually succeeding in the "2 channel within HT" concept I'm seeking. It might result in a rack full 'O Mac but this may not be an issue - just a "point" in a list of many. The response at modest levels is really noteworthy.

I'm going to be testing the Cornwall woofers (old vs. new) in a self-pre-fabbed listening battery to see whether they get replaced (along with the midrange and tweeters and crossovers and.....). I did a similar test with a series of woofers for my Belle Klipsch, finding the dragonslayer for those without changing their essence, and since the theater is getting a rebuild we're examining all of the components for future suitability.

HT as 2 channel IS a slippery slope, I slipped down the slope before :crazy: But I have picked up on some stuff too, and I think this will have better success this time around. Famous last words.


You are spot on @Audible Nectar . The passion drives the effort!


I do respect your determination to keep on giving it a go.

Like one poster said (and this is just one of the variables!) “… it was an older 5.1 pre that was short on analog inputs, no HDMI and no recent Dolby or DTS codecs.”. Another is that “…A good universal remote is an absolute necessity for any kind of HT system IMO.”. Yet another is “…lot of these HT processors don't play well with Mac computers.”. To be clear, all of the aforementioned challenges are solvable.

Like I said the passion drives the effort.

To the purist in me says let each do what they are meant to do even if there are a few compromises along the way.




Yeah, I sorta get that. Not gonna keep getting bit, that's understandable.

I'm curious if the memory stick just plugs into the pre-pro (there is a USB spot back there) to back up the settings or does that have to be done through the PC. I can slog my way through the menus but I sure wanna back that stuff up......
 

To continue on, whenever we throw computers into the mix to try and make things work, things get complicated pretty quickly:

  • Do you have the right operating system (Mac Vs. Windows)?
  • Is it the version that is supported by whatever app you are trying to use to make all of this work?
  • Do you have enough memory?
  • Does it have the right ports and do you have the connectors for those ports?
  • :blah::blah::blah:…
Talk about going down a rat hole!

Anyway, like I said in my previous post, all of this is solvable. You just have to go into this with eyes wide open.
 
OK, so I am back from Texas with the MX151, I took it upon myself to pick the unit up, as this would keep it out of the hands of the shippers. It's as perfect as a used piece can be, one of the last built, no issues with the previous owner (who I trust sufficiently to truly believe that) and a very fair price (there was no negotiation). The combo served to make this the choice, albeit the various caveats/risks associated with these units generally. But if there ever was an example of this piece to roll the dice on, it's this one.

The pre-pro selection wasn't easy, and none I chose would be without issue, albeit solvable. But Mac is the safe sonic choice, having been the road of others that seemed to miss the mark sonically. So while I might be gambling a bit with the mechanics, I shouldn't be gambling with the sonics.

So now we are back at amplifiers. The base decision is as follows: MC205 (and maybe 255, depending what I can actually obtain/get into my hands) or rebuilding a pair of 2100/05s with the existing MC250s I have here in the stable (I'd end up with a spare one, which is a great problem/asset to have). I took a hard run at a pair of MC2100 and got the proverbial bid door slammed into my face, I also sourced two MC205 NOS as well as another close to it and had every one of those slip through my fingers.

It is actually an easier decision to do the 205/255 way, as if I didn't like the "school" of the general presentation I could sell that off (it's a Mac amp, after all). OTOH, I am also looking into having the 250/2100/2105 era amps rebuilt (needing to acquire two at 100WPC, either 2100 or 2105 and having those two rebuilt along with my 250 pair). That's a longer road, but in some sense more predictable, as my sonic tests done with the one properly (albeit aging) 250 bears out a sonic match generally that's hard to ignore, but more importantly the way the amp performs at low volume, sustaining the "bottom" without "petering out" is a most desirable trait. While there is some "clutter" in the edge and inner details, much of that is from the aging parts, which will clear up with thorough rebuild (already sourced/know where I'm taking it to in that case).

Once the amp decision is made, the parts/components (aside form a basic Windows comp) will be in place. It still seems a swappable decision, primarily in the acquisition specifics as well as conflicting "windows" of experience. If I had only heard a 205 on a kit like this, or even a Klipsch Heritage generally, that would likely seal the issue. Much of this involves "what can I actually get into my hands", too, which has been a bit of an issue of late.

So the MC2100/2105/205/255 is loaded into every saved search I can find, and am on the hunt for potential suitors/examples, albeit with "forked deciders" - the aforementioned indecision at play. But we are making progress.......:)
 
OK, so I am back from Texas with the MX151, I took it upon myself to pick the unit up, as this would keep it out of the hands of the shippers. It's as perfect as a used piece can be, one of the last built, no issues with the previous owner (who I trust sufficiently to truly believe that) and a very fair price (there was no negotiation). The combo served to make this the choice, albeit the various caveats/risks associated with these units generally. But if there ever was an example of this piece to roll the dice on, it's this one.

The pre-pro selection wasn't easy, and none I chose would be without issue, albeit solvable. But Mac is the safe sonic choice, having been the road of others that seemed to miss the mark sonically. So while I might be gambling a bit with the mechanics, I shouldn't be gambling with the sonics.

So now we are back at amplifiers. The base decision is as follows: MC205 (and maybe 255, depending what I can actually obtain/get into my hands) or rebuilding a pair of 2100/05s with the existing MC250s I have here in the stable (I'd end up with a spare one, which is a great problem/asset to have). I took a hard run at a pair of MC2100 and got the proverbial bid door slammed into my face, I also sourced two MC205 NOS as well as another close to it and had every one of those slip through my fingers.

It is actually an easier decision to do the 205/255 way, as if I didn't like the "school" of the general presentation I could sell that off (it's a Mac amp, after all). OTOH, I am also looking into having the 250/2100/2105 era amps rebuilt (needing to acquire two at 100WPC, either 2100 or 2105 and having those two rebuilt along with my 250 pair). That's a longer road, but in some sense more predictable, as my sonic tests done with the one properly (albeit aging) 250 bears out a sonic match generally that's hard to ignore, but more importantly the way the amp performs at low volume, sustaining the "bottom" without "petering out" is a most desirable trait. While there is some "clutter" in the edge and inner details, much of that is from the aging parts, which will clear up with thorough rebuild (already sourced/know where I'm taking it to in that case).

Once the amp decision is made, the parts/components (aside form a basic Windows comp) will be in place. It still seems a swappable decision, primarily in the acquisition specifics as well as conflicting "windows" of experience. If I had only heard a 205 on a kit like this, or even a Klipsch Heritage generally, that would likely seal the issue. Much of this involves "what can I actually get into my hands", too, which has been a bit of an issue of late.

So the MC2100/2105/205/255 is loaded into every saved search I can find, and am on the hunt for potential suitors/examples, albeit with "forked deciders" - the aforementioned indecision at play. But we are making progress.......:)

A 5 channel amp is a much simpler way to go. Connecting multiple amps is difficult.
 
A 5 channel amp is a much simpler way to go. Connecting multiple amps is difficult.

I've been using a 6-channel MC-7106 for a decade or so. I've been through 4 processors with the same amp and have been very happy with it. Five of the the 7106 channels for 5.1, 1 7106 channel is for shakers, and an outboard Luxman amp is used for last 2 channels in 7.1.
 
A 5 channel amp is a much simpler way to go. Connecting multiple amps is difficult.

Yes, although not impossible. Plenty of test tone discs to set levels and so forth, even check the phase on these new speaker builds that I'm putting together:) Of course, I would pretty much only do this for the love of autoformers, which have a certain way with those big horns. When I asked myself why Mac doesn't build HT amps with autoformers, I was assured they do - but when I saw the MC303 I knew well why they don't have five channel autoformer amps, because then four people might be required to lift it:biggrin:

But yes, I can certainly appreciate the ease of install and the matching look those new blue meters would have with the newly acquired pre, and I think (although I don't know for sure as I haven't heard this gen of Mac amp) that they would in fact be a real pleaser, this not just based on gut but a number of surveyed answers that give some real evidence that I'll be good with that, too. Just a different kind of "good".

People ask why the fascination with autoformers; it's the "saturation" in the midrange that seems to really make the difference. No other amp seems to "fill the tone" the way the autoformer amps do, they have a way and ease with the speaker that belies a piece of electronics.
 
I've been using a 6-channel MC-7106 for a decade or so. I've been through 4 processors with the same amp and have been very happy with it. Five of the the 7106 channels for 5.1, 1 7106 channel is for shakers, and an outboard Luxman amp is used for last 2 channels in 7.1.

The 7106 is a nice amp. And very reliable. I use a 7108 for my Zone 2 amp which powers several pairs of in walls and satellite speakers in and around the house. Not as powerful as the 7106 but plenty of power for small speakers.
 
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