Kptn Howdie
Well-Known Member
when home audio will reach this level..................if it ever will.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmJbS_MEqWA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmJbS_MEqWA
I`m waiting for the day............
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caddisgeek
sorry.......what?
I bet simi's system could outdo that
www.records
Quality over Quantity
I am thankful nothing in my system will do that. I just don't see the appeal.
Different strokes I guess.
Different strokes I guess.
Kptn Howdie
Well-Known Member
i figured i would here that. of course there are extreme`s but the point is that the technolgy of home audio is "swamp like" compared to its four wheel counterparts. so many innovations have flurished in car audio, class d amplification, 1ohm subs its just mind blowing. i rememeber back in the 80`s when mobile audio really starting paving the way to the future and one of the captions was "now you can have a stereo in your car that can rival you home system", i`m waiting to hear "now you can have a system in your house that can rival your car" :scratch2:
and YES you can have great sound quality in your car, biggest problem is ambient noise drowing it all out.
........and home audio is plug and play to boot! you don`t have to spend thousands of dollers on alternator upgrades and wiring and installation, its a real disappointment that i can`t have that same tecnology in my house that i can have in my vehicle.
it sickens me........................................:tears:
ponderbear
waltzing with sin
Best car audio experience I ever had was the no-name eight track receiver that came with my 1968 Mustang. There were 6x9s in the rear deck- again, no-name, at least no name I could see. God, music sounded sweet on it. natural, well-rounded, strangely smooth considering the brittleness of some of the name-brand car stereos most of my friends (with cars) had. My memories are hazy of that era (1980-ish- you can speculate why, I was seventeen at the time) but I distinctly remember buying the eight-track of the Doors best hits package "Weird Scenes Inside the Gold Mine" and just being knocked out by the sound quality. I actually remember getting goose bumps listening to "ship of fools." Except for running out of gas in the middle of f'in nowhere in the full sunny blaze of august, that's about all I remember now about that summer 
Anyway, the 1968 Mustang is not particularly sound proof, and nothing like a sub or even an outboard amp was used, or harmed, in the making of this hair-tingling moment in car stereo history.
Anyway, the 1968 Mustang is not particularly sound proof, and nothing like a sub or even an outboard amp was used, or harmed, in the making of this hair-tingling moment in car stereo history.
MunkeyQ
Super Member
Home systems will always beat a car system in terms of quality - mainly because a car interior is a very challenging environment. You have soft bass-absorbing seats, reflective windows and of course limited space for the drivers to integrate. I could go on... Oh, and there's very few design limitations in home audio components, whereas a car system must use a reasonable amount of power and of course be small enough to fit inside a car. A home amp for example, could consist of two 150lb monoblocks (Mark Levinson anyone?), whereas in a car this would simply not be possible.
Class D amplification has been around since MOSFETs have been made fast enough - it just wasn't deemed hi-fi enough to be used in the home, as traditional Class AB designs sounded much better. Of course, in a car you haven't got space for a honking great heatsink, so an efficient class D amplifier was much better even taking into account the loss in quality.
Note that Class D amps are mainly used in applications where the less than hi-fi sound is not noticed as much, or where there are other things to be taken into account - for example space, weight and power consumption. Most active subwoofers use 'em.
There are a few Class D home amplifiers, but only fairly recent research has brought them up to the standards of more traditional amplification. However, they've seen recent use in high power PA, where a lighter unit is much more desirable; but again, it's taken quite a bit of time to be able to get it to sound satisfactory. I think this has been down to semiconductor advances, but I may be wrong. Horns are very unforgiving of class D artifacts...
I do agree that car technology needs to come into the home though. I'd like to see a panel by my front door telling me which windows and doors are open, just like the dashboard display on modern cars...
My car audio system consists of a heavily modified cheapo Chinese amp bridged to mono, driving a PA speaker wedged in the boot (trunk for you US-ians
). It's fed by my MP3 player through a simple attenutor preamp. Cost: £0.00. I'm a cheap student.
Class D amplification has been around since MOSFETs have been made fast enough - it just wasn't deemed hi-fi enough to be used in the home, as traditional Class AB designs sounded much better. Of course, in a car you haven't got space for a honking great heatsink, so an efficient class D amplifier was much better even taking into account the loss in quality.
Note that Class D amps are mainly used in applications where the less than hi-fi sound is not noticed as much, or where there are other things to be taken into account - for example space, weight and power consumption. Most active subwoofers use 'em.
There are a few Class D home amplifiers, but only fairly recent research has brought them up to the standards of more traditional amplification. However, they've seen recent use in high power PA, where a lighter unit is much more desirable; but again, it's taken quite a bit of time to be able to get it to sound satisfactory. I think this has been down to semiconductor advances, but I may be wrong. Horns are very unforgiving of class D artifacts...
I do agree that car technology needs to come into the home though. I'd like to see a panel by my front door telling me which windows and doors are open, just like the dashboard display on modern cars...
My car audio system consists of a heavily modified cheapo Chinese amp bridged to mono, driving a PA speaker wedged in the boot (trunk for you US-ians
). It's fed by my MP3 player through a simple attenutor preamp. Cost: £0.00. I'm a cheap student.
Kptn Howdie
Well-Known Member
the ol staple, comparing super high end audio that an average joe with kids and a mortage simply cannot afford.
see this is the reason why this genre of people are turning to their cars for satisfaction. there is a huge market waiting to be tapped into, the demand for sound is there and people do want it but home theatre "super saturation" has choked out everthing else.
Mark Levinson and Krell are not the options i`m looking for as an audio consumer. sure who wouldn`t want a pair of 150lb mono blocks in their living room, who wouldn`t want a Ferrari or Lamborghini, but if i need to drive work and have a specific budget, the auto industry provides me with a wide variety of choices to fit the needs of the common consumer.
i wish i had those options in the home audio world.........:tears:
budgetaudio6
Addicted Member
damn that was laugh out loud funny!
"Home systems will always beat a car system in terms of quality"
Perhaps you have not heard a really good car system, nor a really bad home system, as is certainly not the case. It should be, but in the real world, it is simply not.
The car audio industry is Hurting right now. One of their many downfalls was their movement to heavy, high x-max, expensive subwoofers, that are neither accurate to listen to, nor have much output at low input levels. (some of those woofers you can barely make move in free air with your hand they are so heavily suspended!!) These types of subs require big power to get decent volume (although their max output is insanely high), and big power in a 12v dc environment costs big bucks, not just the price of the amp, but also for totally upgrading the cars electrical system. Bad sound + high cost = no sales.
Best car system I ever listened to was the SpeakerWorks Buick at an event in Braselton GA. It sounded amazingly effortless, slightly thin, but extremely detailed, with relatively decent imaging. Did it image as good as an "average" home system? Better!! Did it image as good as a very esoteric home system? No.
Best recent car system I've listened to was a bone stock 08' Cadillac STS. Very warm, good detail, "clean" sounding, good overall output (probably mid 120's), with an amazingly good soundstage for bone stock. Not a good "home" type soundstage, but not nearly as far off the base as you'd think. Left me Very pleasantly surprised on how good it sounded, and that is nearly impossible these days.
Perhaps you have not heard a really good car system, nor a really bad home system, as is certainly not the case. It should be, but in the real world, it is simply not.
The car audio industry is Hurting right now. One of their many downfalls was their movement to heavy, high x-max, expensive subwoofers, that are neither accurate to listen to, nor have much output at low input levels. (some of those woofers you can barely make move in free air with your hand they are so heavily suspended!!) These types of subs require big power to get decent volume (although their max output is insanely high), and big power in a 12v dc environment costs big bucks, not just the price of the amp, but also for totally upgrading the cars electrical system. Bad sound + high cost = no sales.
Best car system I ever listened to was the SpeakerWorks Buick at an event in Braselton GA. It sounded amazingly effortless, slightly thin, but extremely detailed, with relatively decent imaging. Did it image as good as an "average" home system? Better!! Did it image as good as a very esoteric home system? No.
Best recent car system I've listened to was a bone stock 08' Cadillac STS. Very warm, good detail, "clean" sounding, good overall output (probably mid 120's), with an amazingly good soundstage for bone stock. Not a good "home" type soundstage, but not nearly as far off the base as you'd think. Left me Very pleasantly surprised on how good it sounded, and that is nearly impossible these days.
guptonr
Active Member
Best car audio experience I ever had was the no-name eight track receiver that came with my 1968 Mustang. There were 6x9s in the rear deck- again, no-name, at least no name I could see. God, music sounded sweet on it. natural, well-rounded, strangely smooth considering the brittleness of some of the name-brand car stereos most of my friends (with cars) had. My memories are hazy of that era (1980-ish- you can speculate why, I was seventeen at the time) but I distinctly remember buying the eight-track of the Doors best hits package "Weird Scenes Inside the Gold Mine" and just being knocked out by the sound quality. I actually remember getting goose bumps listening to "ship of fools." Except for running out of gas in the middle of f'in nowhere in the full sunny blaze of august, that's about all I remember now about that summer
Anyway, the 1968 Mustang is not particularly sound proof, and nothing like a sub or even an outboard amp was used, or harmed, in the making of this hair-tingling moment in car stereo history.
I'm right there with you. Summer of 1978, 76 Camaro with factory 8 track, pioneer 6x9 coax, and audiovox 25 watt power booster - playing Frampton's "Do you feel like we do". Some how the music seemed better. I've never heard anything as good since.
Kptn Howdie
Well-Known Member
dude, i do my own installation.......................................
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your opinions are bias based upon the genre of this forum. to say that a car audio system has no sound quality is YOUR interpretation. you should post that comment on "sound domain forums" and see what kind of responses you get.
also, there are alot of industry`s that are hurting right now besides car audio.
i guess the sub-prime mortgage crisis down in your neck of the woods will never effect the ever so strong economics of home audio (lol), or is that related to the high x-max, expensive subwoofers as well.
denial (it seems) is not just the river in Egypt.:yes:
jhal
Titanium Bliss
The bass pig home system
I like this guy. This is a home system. Watch the rug.:sigh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz8oNTmI_y4
Here's a rundown of the basspig:http://www.basspig.com/
I like this guy. This is a home system. Watch the rug.:sigh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz8oNTmI_y4
Here's a rundown of the basspig:http://www.basspig.com/
DaWoofer
Super Member
That first clip SUCKED. I could barely hear any music through that buzz and that's all it was and for anyone to claim that is music is insanely out of touch with reality. I couldn't imagine Mozart and the likes comments if they had heard such a thing coming from an instrument. In fact, I highly doubt there is such a thing. I'll take my low powered Clarion speakers from the early 80's any day. If my home system sounded even remotely close to that clip it would be long gone. Most likely in the trash.
CGriswald309
Active Member
if it does then I will most likely abandon my home and live on the street
epifanatic
acoustically suspended
I second that...
epifanatic
acoustically suspended
If you really think the crap in that first clip was music, you don't know what music is.
Kptn Howdie
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