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Is a subwoofer worth using with vinyl?

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I haven't read through the whole thread, so, my apologies if this point has already been made.

Years ago, I worked on integrating a Velodyne Optimum-8 sub with my NHT Classic Three's. Now, it's important to note that another persons measurements with the exact same gear, set up exactly the same, could yield markedly different results because the major factor in bass management is the room; and, frankly, my room sucks!

But, my point is, that subs are almost always going to impact other areas of the musical spectrum. As you can see from my measurement graph that I've attached (featuring multiple volume and phase settings), increasing the bass output below 60hz or so often times had the effect of sucking out the midbass in the 60-200hz range.

I finally decided that what my ears where telling me, that it sounded best without the sub, was the route to go. Again, in another room, perhaps it would have worked out better. As in everything audio related what works in one system may sound like crap in another.

What were your crossover frequencies and slope? NHT's were connected to sub so that the speaker pair were part of high pass, right? You used one sub, right, not two?
 
To Catman's original question, yes, I think running a subwoofer for vinyl is a good idea. In my experience many albums don't have much bass below say 80Hz but a lot do.

I'm running a monitor and subwoofer combination with an Outlaw ICBM for bass management in between the preamp and amp portion of my integrated amp. The Outlaw ICBM was originally intended to apply bass management to SACD players when that function wasn't built in. For me it is a very handy high/low pass filter for my stereo. The ICBM has a multiple crossover slopes for the subwoofer and I use 36db/octave to get the sub out of the way of my monitors as quickly as possible. You can also run two subs if needed. The ICBM has been discontinued for a few years but they do show up on the auction sites every now and then. It is a very flexible tool versus the crossover on a subwoofer.
 
What were your crossover frequencies and slope? NHT's were connected to sub so that the speaker pair were part of high pass, right? You used one sub, right, not two?

It's been so long ago I don't recall all the details. I had a NAD M3 at the time that has bass management but I do not recall the crossover frequency. It was only one sub.

It's worth noting that the room is small and square, which is horrible. I posted this mostly to just say that there are some instances where it may be difficult to integrate a sub properly. I have no desire to run one now and am perfectly happy with the bass response from the NHTs once I spent some time properly setting them up.
 
the three seems like a great small room speaker. i can see not needing a sub in the small room. i acquired the addiction of low bass so i cant predict whether i would be content with none but i be willing to try.
 
I am sorry for asking this question, maybe I should have started my own thread. For the past couple of days, I have noticed a rattling in my subwoofer. This only seems to happen around 60Hz. Anything above or below seems to be fine. The rattling sound is coming from the subwoofer and not any objects in the room.

I took the grill off the subwoofer and tappped on the woofer to see if maybe the voice coil is coming off the cone. I do not hear the rattling when I tappp on the woofer. I am going to remove the driver to see if I can find out what is going on. do any of you have any ideas as to what could be causing this rattling?
 
Subs can vibe anything that is loose to make a noise. It could be loose hardware, loose grill, box coming apart, or if like my subs, the spider was peeling away from the frame. I had to reglue it, but it is still holding fast.
 
somehow get into the inside of the cabinet. usually the way to do so is to remove the driver. look around in there for a loose part, it may be some incidental part that came loose.

that it is still working is evidence that its not catastrophic.
 
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