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Is Crosley a problem for Vinyl revival?

Type in "Crosley" at Amazon. Several pages of Crosley crap, all posing as and using the word, "Turntable". You're a nudge.

My favorite is the one posing as an SL-1200MK2. Ten bucks says that the strobe light isn't a strobe light at all, just a lamp.
 
Back in the 60's all I could afford was a Crosley type TT's and that's medium was all that was available. The Crosley is a necessity for the beginners. You have to learn to crawl before you learn to walk so to speak. This is true for almost every hobby. I do not bash the Crosley because it's needed on the market for those that dabble or can't afford the expensive stuff. Those that bash Crosley tend to site on the higher limb on the vinyl tree.
 
Back in the 60's all I could afford was a Crosley type TT's and that's medium was all that was available. The Crosley is a necessity for the beginners. You have to learn to crawl before you learn to walk so to speak. This is true for almost every hobby. I do not bash the Crosley because it's needed on the market for those that dabble or can't afford the expensive stuff. Those that bash Crosley tend to site on the higher limb on the vinyl tree.
I find the bashing of Crosley's that goes on to be a bit obsessive. I do not own one, but at the same time, find that those doing the bashing do so in part to make themselves feel better about what they have. No matter what people have, they must realize that not everyone has the money or resources to start out with a $10,000 table. And those that do usually are lusting for something more. We are talking about devices that play music, not discovering atomic fusion.
 
Back in the 60's all I could afford was a Crosley type TT's and that's medium was all that was available. The Crosley is a necessity for the beginners. You have to learn to crawl before you learn to walk so to speak. This is true for almost every hobby. I do not bash the Crosley because it's needed on the market for those that dabble or can't afford the expensive stuff. Those that bash Crosley tend to site on the higher limb on the vinyl tree.

I find the bashing of Crosley's that goes on to be a bit obsessive. I do not own one, but at the same time, find that those doing the bashing do so in part to make themselves feel better about what they have. No matter what people have, they must realize that not everyone has the money or resources to start out with a $10,000 table. And those that do usually are lusting for something more. We are talking about devices that play music, not discovering atomic fusion.

This is what I fine to be trun and the funny thing it's not the guy with the $15,000 table doing it but the one that is not far from the ownership of one.
 
I still don't understand why anyone would even want a cheap TT like a Crosley. For far less money you could buy a cheap CD player that will blow away the sound of a Crosley. Why would anyone want to spend all the money on a Crosley and they pay for vinyl only to go backwards in sound quality over a pair of ear buds or a boom box?
 
I still don't understand why anyone would even want a cheap TT like a Crosley. For far less money you could buy a cheap CD player that will blow away the sound of a Crosley. Why would anyone want to spend all the money on a Crosley and they pay for vinyl only to go backwards in sound quality over a pair of ear buds or a boom box?
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Nostalgia. I used to be able to explain this question when the Crosley was really the only game in town for the total newbie. Vinyl nuts like us can't really imagine how absent vinyl still really is in the real world, and how more absent it was just a few years back.

These days, though, I do think the Crosley's days are numbered. Crosley thinks so, which is why it's stepping up its game. It has recently released a Crosley badged Pro-Ject.

But I still think that even Crosleys are kind of a niche thing. I think most people think like you do and I think most kids do too. It would be one thing is Crosleys were displacing digital sales and streaming, but they're not. CD's are now dead, by the way, and have been for years.

Crosleys are for neophytes in urban dorms. I think probably a lot of them are being sold in Cambridge, New Haven and Stanford. They're hip like Lomography film cameras.

Who buys Lomography cameras? They pretty much stink except for the instant ones. But Fuji are better and cheaper.
People buy what people buy. I don't think Crosley is going under anytime soon.
 
There's a group dedicated to Crosley type TT's of the 50's on FB. I imagine in 50 years the Crosley will be restored and sought after. Probably worth $1,000,000.00 dollars!
 
Hopefully if you have found AK and signed up as a member you have lost your Crosley. I'v made a few dumb choices in my life and I'm far from perfect, fortunately I never bought a Crosley. Say what you want there is nothing redeeming about a Crosley, they are the bottom of the barrel of turntables/record players and absolute junk made by the junk men to sell to the unsophisticated buyer. And yes the Crosley and their ilk do damage records, lets stop making excuses for Crosleys and the stupid people who buy them.

I agree that there is nothing redeeming and no excuse for the crap turntable included in Crosley packages. However, a lot of people, especially Millennials, who buy them don't know any better. That was me and I only kept my Crosley for three weeks. Those who buy Crosleys will soon learn that it's a crap turntable and move on to something better. Or, they will get a negative perception of vinyl and go back to MP3.

The one thing Crosley does do right is looks. I really like how they create systems that look like something from the 1940s. I think a similar system with an actual decent turntable would be marketable.
 
My first Crosley was a gift from a girlfriend at the time while my P Mount was boxed up and in storage. She had a Technics rack mount (Obviously, this was in the 1990s) with a 6 CD carousel and no TT and there wasn't room for my stereo when we took up residence together. It took me ten years to realize how bad of a match we were when this very situation should have prompted me to force a breakup. Anyway . . .

Restoration Hardware at the mall was the only place that sold this turntable. No one sold turntables then. Online retail hadn't even really begun. This was like, maybe 1997. There was no Urban Outfitters yet as far as I know. I sure didn't know of any places like Audiogon, Audio Karma, or others. I believe Restoration Hardware even said in their sales literature that they commissioned the turntable.

Before that Crosley was carried by Restoration Hardware, I don't think people even knew what a record was, or that anyone even made a record player anymore much less a turntable. Stereo stores didn't have them. They had been absent from departments stores for almost ten years by then. Record stores had quit selling records probably by the late 1980s. I know that I got bumped to the CD club when the BMG record club pulled up stakes in 1988 and even when I was a freshman in college, I was treated as a kind of weirdo relic by most of my friends for having records, even if those who were seniors at the time had pretty much exclusively LP's only three years before. That's how quickly the market turned its back on vinyl in those days. CD's were expensive. Most people had cassettes.

By 1997, records and record players were long dead and gone. Forgotten except maybe by DJ's.

And then there was that Crosley being sold at Restoration Hardware. That was the pulse in the neck of what otherwise was a vinyl corpse. Restoration Hardware also sold frames for LP covers. That, to me, was the only sign in retail or anywhere that LP's weren't totally and completely forgotten except for the occasional comments when people would be squinting at a CD cover about how they missed the big artwork and the liner notes. No one missed vinyl itself, it seemed--only the big artwork.

My girlfriend bought me that Crosley for about $150. That was a big expense for us at the time. Rent was $350 for our two bedroom apartment. Some months, we were lucky to earn enough to pay the rent. The thought of spending $150 on a stand alone record player like the Crosley seemed like an extravagance and I was also sort of annoyed because I knew I had a perfectly good and better P Mount in a box in the basement. But I accepted the gift graciously and we set the unit up.

It was disappointing to me but my girlfriend was thrilled. I was glad to dig my old records out and give them a spin. Soon we had a party and the record player was a big feature of the party even though we had a CD player. It was tough to find a place to set it up where it wouldn't skip if people danced on our hardwood floors, but I found a solution by putting the record player on a cushion.

Friends came over and they thought the record player was so cool. The first question was where they could get one and where they could get records. Back then, the only answer was Restoration Hardware. I didn't even know where they could get records from. I had all mine still. "Garage Sales and Goodwill," I said.

I don't know if anyone bought a record player or records after that because of the Crosley I had. I, personally, never liked how it sounded, but others did. Not everyone is as critical as I am, I guess. I also never liked how the wall wart didn't stow in the case. That seemed like a real design oversight. Neverminding the low sound quality which the single tone control barely altered; it wasn't loud enough, really, certainly not for a party, but barely loud enough to listen to unless you were sitting right next to it and there was no line out for other means of amplification which I would have tried. I realize that such a complaint is something like Woody Allen complaining about the bad food being served in portions that are too small.

Years later, after my relationship with that girlfriend fizzled, dragged and then finally got mercifully yanked out of the end groove, and I was living on my own in a $900/mo single, which was considered cheap by the local market, I still had the Crosley. I was single again and had happily set up my old system, got online and discovered online vinyl retail and I bought my first LP in many, many years. Instead of my girlfriend and a tinny Crosley, in the evening after work I had what I wanted: my P Mount deck, a Pickering TL-3S and Norah Jones singing "Come Away with Me." It seemed like heaven.

When I met my wife, I still had that Crosley and the original box it came in. I wish I could say that I gave it to a friend or that my ex girlfriend still had it and spins a tune to the memory of us once in a while, but I sold it at a garage sale I held before moving in with the woman who is now my wife. The Crosley went for $10.

I never valued the Crosley very much, but it was seemingly simultaneously the last gasp of the old record era and the first breath of the new era. The sales of the Crosley gained momentum, slowly at first, but then rapidly. I knew that they were popular when they began to show up at discount stores. That original design that I had was all the was available for years and suddenly, as if Spring had sprung, that mud brown color gave way to pinks, blues, yellows, and all kinds of colors and new krokus-like shapes.

Records began to appear in greater number on auction sites and entire online stores began to appear. Suddenly records and turntables were everywhere. New styling to old products appeared and those plain Jane audiophile tables began to get updated appearances. Records themselves, now called "vinyls," as if to carry the second spring metaphor now come in rainbows of vivid gem tone colors instead of the old antiquated Model T black.

For me, it all started with that Crosley. That's what the Crosley was and still is. That's my experience of vinyl.

I think that a lot of us forget that young people don't have a lot of money. The fact that the price of the Crosley in those nearly twenty years has actually crept down rather than gone up shows that money is still a problem for young people as it was for me and my girlfriend at the time. I didn't really appreciate the Crosley, but it's cheap and it works well enough. They bring people happiness, especially now when there is no otherwise physical medium to connect to with music. They are clearly about nostalgia for kids these days who shouldn't be nostalgic about a technology they never knew. So it's more than that.

But in the meantime, the selling of nostalgia has given way to new life and moving forward for this once totally dead vinyl LP business. It also makes sense for the music industry because you can't endlessly reproduce your single vinyl copy of some track and give it away to thousands of people for free. So vinyl protects profits needed to continue to make music and musicians.

I never liked my Crosley except for the fact that I do think, in my memory at least, that it brought vinyl back from the dead for the consumer. And the consumer is what we all need to create and maintain demand. I hope the person who bought my $10 Crosley has bought records by now and played them and had a good time. They might think I'm crazy for spending well more than double the original purchase price of that Crosley on a single cartridge--an AT OC9ML/II. But as long as we are both enjoying vinyl, I really don't care. I'm glad they are here.

Exceptionally well said, needlestein!
 
I still don't understand why anyone would even want a cheap TT like a Crosley. For far less money you could buy a cheap CD player that will blow away the sound of a Crosley. Why would anyone want to spend all the money on a Crosley and they pay for vinyl only to go backwards in sound quality over a pair of ear buds or a boom box?

While in theory, CD is a superior format, with the processing and compression these days you might as well listen to MP3. In today's digital society, there is really no need for physical media at all. Audiophiles can get lossless digital recordings if they want to pay for them. The entire experience of physical media, going to the record store, bringing an album home and playing it is something people miss. While CD does satisfy that need of having physical media that people miss, it doesn't have the "cool" factor that vinyl does. There is something satisfying about putting needle to groove that you don't get from listening to music any other way.
 
It's a big problem,but the majority of teenagers today couldn't give a damn about SQ or music quality anymore.
They listen to their smartphones/streaming devices with headphones over their hats and even share the headphones with their loved ones whilst listening (mono) in trains,buses etc (one has the left ear whilst the other has the right).
As for the so-called top quality music nowadays,one only has to turn on the radio or listen to the TV etc.
Crosley got in on the act for today's teenybopper market and for that they'll do well... Sad but very true,cause 90% of teenagers today have no taste whatsoever in quality music or hi-fi.
 
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... Sad but very true,cause 90% of teenagers today have no taste whatsoever in quality music or hi-fi.

Why is it a big problem or sad?

Maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon, but I don't give a rat's ass how other people enjoy their music.
I certainly don't feel superior if I prefer better sound quality than someone else.
 
Why is it sad?

Maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon, but I don't give a rat's ass how other people enjoy their music.
I certainly don't feel superior if I prefer better sound quality than someone else.




Call me old fashioned,but I often look back at music and hi-fi from the 70's (and even 80's) when there was real talent and quality (but that's another story/thread that often gets closed).

If you like the way so-called hi-fi and music has turned out in today's world then that's fine,but surely you must realize there was way better years ago... Unless of-course,you're in your teens and haven't experienced anything better (just like the average Crosley buyer).
 
Call me old fashioned,but I often look back at music and hi-fi from the 70's (and even 80's) when there was real talent and quality (but that's another story/thread that often gets closed).

If you like the way so-called hi-fi and music has turned out in today's world then that's fine,but surely you must realize there was way better years ago... Unless of-course,you're in your teens and haven't experienced anything better (just like the average Crosley buyer).

No, I'm not a teen, but I had a Superscope integrated when I was thirteen and a mc2105,c28,mq101 system when I was fourteen.
Having good gear was my preferred way to listen to music, but I never put others down or cared because they had lesser gear.
I just didn't think that way and still don't.
 
No, I'm not a teen, but I had a Superscope integrated when I was thirteen and a mc2105,c28,mq101 system when I was fourteen.
Having good gear was my preferred way to listen to music, but I never put others down or cared because they had lesser gear.
I just didn't think that way and still don't.



I never put anyone or any gear down,only if asked my opinion (such as the title of this thread).
I'd never play valuable vinyl on a crosley,cause they're cheap chinese junk TT's therefore will most likely ruin your records... But upon sayin' that,crosley owners most likely haven't any valuable records to begin with... So it doesn't really matter :rflmao:
 
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