Is Crosley a problem for Vinyl revival?

[Daunia 70]

QFT
Perfect for this thread and all that feel the need to call someone elses gear CRAP. From my perspective view I could look down at the vast majority posting in this thread and call your gear crap that would never enter my doorway. However why would I do that? what benefit does that bring to anyone?

What the hell are you rabbiting on about? From what I can gather you own (that's if it's actually yours) new/mostly made in china McIntosh gear and a few modern belt drive TT's.
You're a ****in' troll in my eyes (and many others... just count the arguments and the many times you've been banned). But now you're acting as goody two shoes

 

[mfrench]

I'm more concerned that the vinyl gets recycled properly than I am of it being destroyed by a record player.

 

[biscuithead]

LOL

He craps on anything someone else owns. I put down no ones gear it's theirs to enjoy no matter what it is.

I think this was a put down for many, many here on AK: "All those guy's with their high end 40 year old $300 systems" and it was just two posts away from your claim.
Come on man, try to be more friendly.

 

[4-2-7]

I think this was a put down for many, many here on AK: "All those guy's with their high end 40 year old $300 systems" and it was just two posts away from your claim.
Come on man, try to be more friendly.

See Now you get the point, no one wants to hear their system might not be all that good but these members think it's ok to put down gear that's less than what they own. Why?

 

[biscuithead]

See Now you get the point, no one wants to hear their system might not be all that good but these members think it's ok to put down gear that's less than what they own. Why?

Keep stirring friend.

 

[JP]

See Now you get the point, no one wants to hear their system might not be all that good but these members think it's ok to put down gear that's less than what they own.

I truly fail to see how what he says is any different than what you say about any number of topics where you consider someones level of gear to not be to your standards, or doesn't measure up on your green yardstick. We've gone rounds on this a couple times in the past.

From the spectator chair, you're in a glass house.

 

[Westy56]

I don't think this thread is fun or informative for anyone anymore.

 

[GerardG]

I haven't met a single person who's bought a Crosely in pursuit of sound quality. They buy it because it's cool, they buy it for nostalgia, the buy it because they enjoy the ritual of spinning a record once in a while. I've a friend who bought one to play records she heard as a kid with her kids.

Some move up, some move out, and some stay content. Why is it such a big deal?

Exactly! Perfectly said: "Some move up, some move out, and some stay content. Why is it such a big deal?"

It isn't a big deal. But some, perhaps many, enjoy the debate. And that's fine tedious though it may be to some. I'll just read elsewhere.

Gerard

 

[JustinICT]

It doesn't help. Im new to vinyl. The first TT I bought was an Ion. I didn't know any better. And people selling TTs today don't know any better. I was so unhappy with my Ion. I was about to say forget it, as far as using a TT for music till I happened to hear a good one. Hearing what it was suppose to sound like is what kept me in with the idea have listening to vinyl. Glad I did, but I just about lost interest.

 

[GerardG]

It doesn't help. Im new to vinyl. The first TT I bought was an Ion. I didn't know any better. And people selling TTs today don't know any better. I was so unhappy with my Ion. I was about to say forget it, as far as using a TT for music till I happened to hear a good one. Hearing what it was suppose to sound like is what kept me in with the idea have listening to vinyl. Glad I did, but I just about lost interest.

You raise an important point, JustinICT. I was given an Ion as a way to digitize my LP's. It was ok to poor with its GT cartridge but the flimsy platter and cheap tonearm was not conducive to good listening. Fortunately I knew much better and just played with the Ion to see what it was really like. As I said it was ok but ok is not why I play vinyl. I do wonder how many don't know how vinyl can sound and give up after such an experience. You kept going. Shows the importance of listening and doing research.

Gerard

 

[majick47]

I was addressing the people that found AK and have a growing interest in the hobby and improving their listening experience. Many of these new AK members don't have a ton of money to throw around being young, single or married with kids. Also they have minimal to no exposure to audio. Hopefully they can get good advice as to how to stretch their limited dollars getting the most for their money. They wont get the most for their money on new throw away inferior built/designed components from China/Taiwan when they have the option to purchase superior sounding and operating vintage components in many instances for way less money. If this is being offensive I'll be doing it all day long, day after day until I get kicked off AK.

 

[Ken Boyd]

Perhaps my error was that I thought the majority of people buying the vinyl today were under the impression that they would expect it to sound better than what they had experienced with their other mediums. So my only concern was that anyone buying a Crosely would be disappointed in the medium and not venture any further. Personally I could care less what people listen to or how.

 

[Djcoolray]

Actually...

The vinyl revivial is exactly what young people need to get off their convieneint kick and learn to do things with their hands so they cal learn critical problem solving skills. Creating a system of stereo equipment and learning to maintain it is no different than learning to build a cool car... We have become a consumer based society where many pay for services provide and many think they are entitled without expending any effort.

 

[Arthur Smith]

I agree that there is nothing redeeming and no excuse for the crap turntable included in Crosley packages. However, a lot of people, especially Millennials, who buy them don't know any better. That was me and I only kept my Crosley for three weeks. Those who buy Crosleys will soon learn that it's a crap turntable and move on to something better. Or, they will get a negative perception of vinyl and go back to MP3.

The one thing Crosley does do right is looks. I really like how they create systems that look like something from the 1940s. I think a similar system with an actual decent turntable would be marketable.

We all assume that people have the finances and resources that older generations have. Most do not. So bashing them for buying Crosleys isn't really productive.

 

[Westy56]

We all assume that people have the finances and resources that older generations have. Most do not. So bashing them for buying Crosleys isn't really productive.

Now people with knowledge are going to say how you can get X for Y and it will beat the Crosely.
They have to understand that many people without knowledge are not going to know this and won't be coming here for their advice.

 

[Arthur Smith]

I agree that there is nothing redeeming and no excuse for the crap turntable included in Crosley packages. However, a lot of people, especially Millennials, who buy them don't know any better. That was me and I only kept my Crosley for three weeks. Those who buy Crosleys will soon learn that it's a crap turntable and move on to something better. Or, they will get a negative perception of vinyl and go back to MP3.

The one thing Crosley does do right is looks. I really like how they create systems that look like something from the 1940s. I think a similar system with an actual decent turntable would be marketable.

Now people with knowledge are going to say how you can get X for Y and it will beat the Crosely.
They have to understand that many people without knowledge are not going to know this and won't be coming here for their advice.

While there are alternative and better solutions, I have never figured out why people become so strident and upset with others' purchases. Maybe to make them feel better about their own?

 

[Westy56]

While there are alternative and better solutions, I have never figured out why people become so strident and upset with others' purchases. Maybe to make them feel better about their own?

I agree. I posted something along those lines earlier.

But hey, we're members of a heavily populated forum with lots of people who need to feel better about themselves.

 

[Arthur Smith]

Well, I do think the younger generation being savvy shoppers themselves and knowing the prices of things would understand that you get what you pay for. I'm sure that the younger generation is not a completely cohesive unit in thought and opinion and that among their ranks are those who have other opinions of Crosleys that aren't so favorable. I'm really thinking that Crosleys are bought by parents for kids of the tween years. There are advantages to an underamped turntable for a kid who wants to listen to vinyl in your own house under your roof where you may not only have your own peace to think about, but your neighbors especially if you rent, you know. And replacement styli are cheap. And the units can take some abuse. And you never have to worry about cartridge alignment. And, and, and . . .

Yes, most kids listen to headphones so it's a nonissue. But there is a lot of research that says letting kids blast their ears with headphones and especially earbuds is bad in the short term and the long term.

It's not audiophile gear. It's mostly, I would say, purchased for kids between 9 and 14 years old. For marketing purposes, Crosley seems to know right where to aim this product. I don't think many of us here should really worry about record damage. I doubt I'm going to ever care about the quality of groove preservation of Justin Bieber's latest "vinyl."

I'd almost lament that I'd sold of that Crosley because I'd happy to give it to my daughter. But my wife would completely object only because, well, it was a gift from the ex, and also, it's beer **** brown--the original "retro" classroom record player color which was the original look Crosley went for. My wife is probably going to get one for my daughter and I'm sure that it's going to be in the pink/purple range with a white tonearm and be covered with stars and sparkles.

Getting on here and complaining about the quality of that unit is not unlike getting on a serious bike geek forum and complaining about Barbie bicycles, isn't it?

A lot of vinyl survived some pretty brutal playback systems, from decades ago. I think this myth of Crosleys carving up vinyl is simply that- a myth. I would not purchase one myself, but that's just me.

 

[mfrench]

I started here, around '68/'69, and played the records a ton of times on it; and also on my parents console stereo auto-stacker. I still have them, and they sound fine (considering how crappy so many new records sounded back then).
Crosley of the day:

 

[Arthur Smith]

I stared here, around '68/'69, and played the records a ton of times on it; and also on my parents console stereo auto-stacker. I still have them, and they sound fine (considering how crappy so many new records sounded back then).
Crosley of the day:

We had one of these as a kid. Love seeing this!