Rob41
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Huh. What, exactly, in technical terms, makes a "high end" amplifier "sound" so much better than an older one that measures identically?
Now I know what I will ask confucius if I ever meet him.
Huh. What, exactly, in technical terms, makes a "high end" amplifier "sound" so much better than an older one that measures identically?
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Sorry, I disagree with you on both counts.
1. Your first statement is your opinion.
2. I am not crazy or otherwise not in my right mind because I don't agree with your bombastic statement.
3. I will say excellent quality exists within both camps but then again, I didn't think another VS. topic was the intention of the thread.
4. My wife sometimes says I'm crazy but my shrink just keeps asking me if I think I'm crazy.![]()
Of course it is just my opinion. I don't represent AES here, I'm just a regular Joe.
Not trying to flame the vintage crowd. Its just my 2c.
BTW check my sig.![]()

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I would say vintage gear, for me anyway, is about sound and quality. Like one poster already said, the gear from years ago was built with quality in mind. made to last.
Then you need to see more good quality modern gear, if that is your view.
I think that Edriz's point was that all units from cheap to expensive was built with quality in mind.
Today we have low quality for the masses in big box stores and high quality modern gear for the connoisseur.
That's why some of us are looking for the vintage gear so "the poor guy can finally get rich"
Nothing could be further from the truth. The cheap crap was just as cheap and crappy as anything made today. Likely worse. All the Lloyd's and Candle stuff has long since hit the trash pile. And there was much more of that then SX-1980 and AU-717's.
is there an equvilent to LLoyds today ?
Now, do you see what I mean today's gear looks like Sci-Fi compared to gear back then?
Are you comparing LLoyds and Candle with todays Best Buy ie Mainstream equipment or is there an equvilent to LLoyds today ? I don't think Edriz was even thinking LLoyds when he made his statement .
Of course it is just my opinion. I don't represent AES here, I'm just a regular Joe.