JBL D130f cabinets
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hunter00
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bothtested now working wonderfully.I figured these were a straight woofer but their full rangers I'm getting bass/mids and highs
has anyone used this driver before on its own or added horns for best performance?
I'm thinking these were made in the 60's?
Big sound for sure in these large cabs
hunter
has anyone used this driver before on its own or added horns for best performance?
I'm thinking these were made in the 60's?
Big sound for sure in these large cabs
hunter
hunter00
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Ive been researching them for last couple hrs while giving them a good listen..Ive owned an original JBL001 loaded speaker in the past and these sound remarkably close to the same,with decent highs but not a pronounced as the 001's with the added potatoe masher horn.
Ive regreated shipping that DHL175 horn to korea many times as I still have the 130A woofer that needs a recone.
From what ive read the F was denoted to an improved D130 as the owner of fender guitar wanted a more robust D130 as it was their perfered speaker and were prone to blow in band application.
hunter
malden
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I have a mint pair of D130's that need to be listened to. I don't want to invest in 075 and N2400's so will do as suggested by djnagle...
hunter00
Super Member
Ya these are wearing on me,Ill get my tech to build a pair of x-overs for them and add a couple jbl 2402 horns I think.I running them on a HHscott LK-150 tube amp{70wpc} and they open right up with 5 watts
Numbers on the cones indicate original cones{21057} and serial numbers are consectutive 64192/94
hunter
The 2402 is already nasty at 2400Hz. Use a lower frequency crossover, and it will get exponentially worse...
I'd probably try a staggered frequency spread- like 2K lowpass on the D130, and 3K highpass on the 2402.
Even better than the 2402- I'd try some more modern JBL technology. 2416s or something similar, on PT Waveguide flares would be something nice. You could use the E-wave crossover topology...
Regards,
Gordon.
I'd probably try a staggered frequency spread- like 2K lowpass on the D130, and 3K highpass on the 2402.
Even better than the 2402- I'd try some more modern JBL technology. 2416s or something similar, on PT Waveguide flares would be something nice. You could use the E-wave crossover topology...
Regards,
Gordon.
Crossovers are not brick walls. Both drivers would still contribute in that range. The spread would simply reduce the (IME and IMHO) excessive output that the combo of the D130 and 2402 would have between about 1500 and 3500 Hz, if crossed over at the same frequency.
Regards,
Gordon.
malden
Lunatic Member
That's interesting, thank you. I did listen to the D130's full range when I first got them and thought they were very mid-rangy.
No no.
Yes, the "F" denotes "Fender," but what they did was not an improvement.
When the ham-fisted employees at Fender would overtighten the speaker mounting screws, it would put a warp/twist/bend into the frame. On occasion this twist was enough to make the voice coil rub in the gap. The solution was to widen the gap and mark the speaker with an "F" to make note of the difference! Of course this reduces the efficiency of the speaker.
The 2402/075s are very beamy on-axis. But with the addition of a custom-made slant plate assembly, they become very nice and will reach down for proper integration with the D130.
Do a search on this forum for my slant plate assemblies with video demonstrating what I'm referring too. I have a coupe pair left.
Do a search on this forum for my slant plate assemblies with video demonstrating what I'm referring too. I have a coupe pair left.
hunter00
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No no.
Yes, the "F" denotes "Fender," but what they did was not an improvement.
When the ham-fisted employees at Fender would overtighten the speaker mounting screws, it would put a warp/twist/bend into the frame. On occasion this twist was enough to make the voice coil rub in the gap. The solution was to widen the gap and mark the speaker with an "F" to make note of the difference! Of course this reduces the efficiency of the speaker.
This from the "lansing heritage site
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This is what I have been told by my D120F reconer, who said he used to work for JBL. And that a two-piece cone came soon after JBL started making the D130 for Fender, to provide a 100-watt version power handling by adding a separate cloth surround instead of the paper cone comming all the way out to the edge of the basket. It was done originally for Dick Dale, so that he wouldn't have to worry about blowing the speakers every time he played and it became the standard version of the speaker that people use when discussing "the classic" D130. As I mentioned a couple of posts up, I had a couple of these rebuilt (not original) by Wesley Music in a D120 version. Anyone else have the same information?
So it seems the F' designated d130 was produced to handle more power than the previous D130
Ive also found some info on the polarity issue with early JBL drivers ,red pos post was ment to accept the neg off the amp and the black post ment to accept the pos.
These have grown on me I will be finding jbl horns for them ,opinions on 2425j drivers??,theres a pair close by how would they integrate with the d130's?
thx hunter
hunter
No no.
Yes, the "F" denotes "Fender," but what they did was not an improvement.
When the ham-fisted employees at Fender would overtighten the speaker mounting screws, it would put a warp/twist/bend into the frame. On occasion this twist was enough to make the voice coil rub in the gap. The solution was to widen the gap and mark the speaker with an "F" to make note of the difference! Of course this reduces the efficiency of the speaker.
As noted, fabric surrounds (after a while, originally they just gooped the molded paper accordion edge to make it last longer), slightly wider VC gap. Both of which became standard on the D, K, and E series drivers as time wore on. The reduction in efficiency isn't particularly serious. Somewhere (probably in a thread at LH), I read what the difference was, but I can't remember offhand. Like the Altec 416, the D130 is at it's best in the midrange and upper bass ranges. They don't go super deep. The D130A was designed to be more of a true woofer, and the D140F (designed for Fender bass amps) goes even lower.
Also note that in the tube era, JBL was sneaky and labeled what most manufacturers would call an 8 ohm speaker as 16 ohms, in order to provide some more bass/midrange "punch." Similarly, what they labeled as 32 ohms were more like 16. JBL built great gear, but they did some weird stuff.
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