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Just setup my uber system - mixed feelings...
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StimpyWan
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When setting up a complete system, as you've done, IMHO speaker placement is KEY! If you can't hear what the speakers are capable of, you'll never be able to properly hear the equipment either! Many (most) speakers, including B&W's, can sound like garbage, if not positioned correctly within the room. While B&W's, to me, have a 'cool', less warm voicing, that can be partially mitigated through speaker adjustment. Especially, with regards to boundary, wall placement.
Try moving the speakers closer to the rear wall, or closer to the side walls, with more toe-in, to warm up the bass. Position changes of inches, or even less, can make a huge difference. So, find the correct placement for bass, then play with speaker width, to adjust sound staging, and finally toe-in, to tune in focus. It could take a while to find the sweet spot, but stay patient, and you'll get there!
Good luck! :yes:
Oh yea, that's a nice system! I wouldn't consider a 'trade down" an improvement!!! :sigh: :thumbsdn:
Try moving the speakers closer to the rear wall, or closer to the side walls, with more toe-in, to warm up the bass. Position changes of inches, or even less, can make a huge difference. So, find the correct placement for bass, then play with speaker width, to adjust sound staging, and finally toe-in, to tune in focus. It could take a while to find the sweet spot, but stay patient, and you'll get there!
Good luck! :yes:
Oh yea, that's a nice system! I wouldn't consider a 'trade down" an improvement!!! :sigh: :thumbsdn:
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tomlinmgt
Lunatic Member
When you get a chance please detail the following....
- room dimensions and construction (sheetrock, paneling, floor type)
- speaker placement (distance from front and side walls and listening position)
- speaker configuration (distance between speakers, toe in)
- furnishings (including furniture, drapes, curtains, blinds, etc)
- listening position location (distance from rear and side walls)
Real quick....are you hearing (or "seeing") good image and sound stage resolution? Do you get, at the very least, a strong center image with the lead vocal? If you can answer yes to all the prior, then it's probably not the room.
Don't be concerned with low frequency reproduction yet (if it seems to be an issue)...that's secondary to getting resolution sorted out because if it's not then you have an early reflection issue to deal with. If you're getting early reflections you can bet that pretty much everything else that matters is falling apart.
- Michael
- room dimensions and construction (sheetrock, paneling, floor type)
- speaker placement (distance from front and side walls and listening position)
- speaker configuration (distance between speakers, toe in)
- furnishings (including furniture, drapes, curtains, blinds, etc)
- listening position location (distance from rear and side walls)
Real quick....are you hearing (or "seeing") good image and sound stage resolution? Do you get, at the very least, a strong center image with the lead vocal? If you can answer yes to all the prior, then it's probably not the room.
Don't be concerned with low frequency reproduction yet (if it seems to be an issue)...that's secondary to getting resolution sorted out because if it's not then you have an early reflection issue to deal with. If you're getting early reflections you can bet that pretty much everything else that matters is falling apart.
- Michael
Blue Shadow
Waiting for Vintage Gear from this century
I'm surprised that no one has stepped up to help you out so I will. My offer to let you send that Krell stuff my way and I will gladly send you some more pedestrian, but still very high quality, gear to replace it. A cut above the Adcom to help you move forward with your audio journey.
That said, is the issue with the sound of your system with all sources? If so, then the speakers, amp and preamp are not providing what you want. Might be helpful to try different speakers as they make the most difference but first try moving the speakers around to see if their sonics can be improved---as you hear it.
It would probably be easier to grab an amp and preamp and swap them into the system to see what sonic differences that would provide.
If it is only source specific issues you have, address that source.
More than just and amp and preamp available for this swap I mentioned in the first paragraph if you are so inclined.
Tell us more, we'll try to help.
That said, is the issue with the sound of your system with all sources? If so, then the speakers, amp and preamp are not providing what you want. Might be helpful to try different speakers as they make the most difference but first try moving the speakers around to see if their sonics can be improved---as you hear it.
It would probably be easier to grab an amp and preamp and swap them into the system to see what sonic differences that would provide.
If it is only source specific issues you have, address that source.
More than just and amp and preamp available for this swap I mentioned in the first paragraph if you are so inclined.
Tell us more, we'll try to help.
tomlinmgt
Lunatic Member
And I would be one of them. :yes:
OP...let's figure out what's happening with the room. Early reflections from the boundary areas (walls, floor, ceiling, partitions, etc) are the bane of most every system....though most aren't aware of it.
gongli
Musician + Audio Lover
Thank you sincerely to all the posts - sonic heaven is something I take seriously, and I do want to like this system from the bottom of my heart eventually...
I will upload photos soon as some of you suggested.
This sight is full of well meaning knowledgeable people and I love it for it !
I will upload photos soon as some of you suggested.
This sight is full of well meaning knowledgeable people and I love it for it !
Good luck, hope with good advice you are able to find what measures need to be taken to get it all working together as a package. All the components being of outstanding quality should be able to combine to make a really nice system.:thmbsp:
I would spend a while longer for sure before I started putting some lessor quality items in the mix.
I would spend a while longer for sure before I started putting some lessor quality items in the mix.
Before you do anything, it would help if we had a drawing of how your room looks along with the dimensions, where your audio is located within the room, your furniture layout, you need to put in the windows and door(s) in your room as well, also what type of ceiling do you have, standard flat ceiling or cathedral, what type of flooring do you have, hard wood or laminate, car pet, or tile.
This may seem weird or silly, but all of this plays an important role in the performance/sound of your audio system. Help us understand your room so we can help you get the sound you are striving for.
This may seem weird or silly, but all of this plays an important role in the performance/sound of your audio system. Help us understand your room so we can help you get the sound you are striving for.
I'v been seeing that with some peoples systems, the get better results with a real high end one or none at all.
Gang-Twanger
Resident Wharfedaliophool
Whenever my setup isn't satisfying like a Snickers, I check my placement. My speakers are finicky enough where a half-inch off will lose the magic.
Strange really I have never had something of good quality not sound good to my ears, just saying. I mean moving things around will make it open up the stage a bit, but really I have had speakers jammed together in my shop and the minute I put the juice to them I could tell they were something special. The only time I found good gear sound bad, was when friends would demo a pair to me, and think good was 120db!
It would be good to play with the new setup.
Listen to a lot of music, and fiddle with the workings all you want.
In the end, you will like it. I can't think that anything could be wanting in any of the components, but as we all know that speakers produce the widest variable output in good quality audio products, if it turns out that you might benefit from testing a few different speakers with the rest of the equipment, that might do the trick. I wouldn't get rid of the speakers, but maybe add another pair you can borrow and see what happens.
I myself wonder what the setup would sound like with a pair of Altec Lansing 14's or the completely different AR3a's. The sound would change, that's certain.
But I can't see how your setup would fail you as it is, with a little time and some of your very favorite recordings to settle into. Maybe you are just missing a good bottle of wine and some serious downtime.
Listen to a lot of music, and fiddle with the workings all you want.
In the end, you will like it. I can't think that anything could be wanting in any of the components, but as we all know that speakers produce the widest variable output in good quality audio products, if it turns out that you might benefit from testing a few different speakers with the rest of the equipment, that might do the trick. I wouldn't get rid of the speakers, but maybe add another pair you can borrow and see what happens.
I myself wonder what the setup would sound like with a pair of Altec Lansing 14's or the completely different AR3a's. The sound would change, that's certain.
But I can't see how your setup would fail you as it is, with a little time and some of your very favorite recordings to settle into. Maybe you are just missing a good bottle of wine and some serious downtime.
mulester7
LIVE from Lake Ouachita
.....Amen!....speakers are designed and tuned in anechoic chambers, aren't they?....in my partially-anachoic chamber, carpet on the floor was already there, but my main speakers came to life with realism when I hung rugs on the left and right side walls damping the initial/first reflection points....I didn't realize I had a very small degree of raspiness in the highs until I hung the rug on the left side first and compared the sound to the right side which didn't have damping from a rug yet....I quickly hung the rug on the right side after hearing the difference and was totally thrilled with the results....the ceiling is painted sheetrock which gives just enough reflection to give heighth to the front soundstage.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anechoic_chamber
