Linear tracking - a myth debunked?
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TheMaxx111
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My Beogram TX (B&O) always tracks well, it has NEVER skiped. I have played REALLY warped records, one comes to mind where when playing it, the warp is so bad as it comes down from the warp it causes my sub and mid woffers to pump like crazy. It is unlistenable, but no skipping.
I have two discs like that - the table never missed a beat, even if the sound was best described as "bizzare."
Nope, absolutely not on the Zero 100. Here's some info ... http://www.vinylengine.com/library/garrard/zero-100.shtml
Arm resonance less than 10 hz, per the Zero100 article indicated above. At what SPLs were you listening when you noted the resonance?
After the Zero 100 was produced I waited several years to replace my Lab 80. Was told by a Sales guy that they were no longer available per the reason I stated. The Sales guy proceeded to "pitch" an asian import. I understood and left the store. :sigh:
So, marketing doesn't "pimp" certain products?
Garrard was "THE" only recognized premier changer. :thmbsp:
Have you ever seen or heard a Garrard Zero100? :scratch2:
A neighbor brought a Pioneer PL 220 over to see if I wanted it.
It would probably make a poor Frisbee. Must have been certain distributors, I coiuld not buy a Zero100 in the mid 70's.
Yes, yes. :yes:
Except, ..... tangential tracking error is distortion per Erik Loefgren (1938), no matter how small.
All this discussion of how convenient linear trackers are, automatic and close and play and so on, brings back up a comment I made earlier in this thread -- if you tend to listen to whole sides at a time, linear trackers really are convenient. But if you are the sort who likes to listen to a couple of tracks, or likes to listen in a different order, then only the more complicated linear trackers, which have track selection are likely to please, and even then, they will be significantly slower than jumping up and moving the arm directly.
Neither approach to listening is better than the other, but which type you are will have an effect on which type of turntable is best for you.
Neither approach to listening is better than the other, but which type you are will have an effect on which type of turntable is best for you.
What is linear tracking?
Is it when the cartridge has 0 degree tracking error?
Is it when the arm acts as a tangent to the groove?
Should we define the difference between linear tracking and tangential arms?
"dolph"
Kyle85318531
Young Whippersnapper
I wish I had a friggin' linear trackin tone arm right now.
Just bought a metallica LP and the tracking is way out and it skips like crazy.
My cheap JVC TT tracks abominably.
Ky
Just bought a metallica LP and the tracking is way out and it skips like crazy.
My cheap JVC TT tracks abominably.
Ky
The LT-30 is definitely not in the middle. I'd put it as equal with the PX-2 and my PS-X800 and PL-L1000. It's one of my :drool:ers. I'd love to see it at Kelso.
Any tonearm design (pivot or otherwise) is faced with tracking/tracing the record "Cutter" accurately.
Linearity, as written in Wiki, says:
..... " linearity defines how well the device's actual performance across a specified operating range approximates a straight line."
Peace. Regards.
HI,
Well, one way to define a linear tracking tone arm is if it develops skating force. True linear arms do not. The Zero 100 does along with a lot of other nasties. It does not belong in this thread which has so many fine linerar designs.
Please, start your own thread.
Sparky
Well, one way to define a linear tracking tone arm is if it develops skating force. True linear arms do not. The Zero 100 does along with a lot of other nasties. It does not belong in this thread which has so many fine linerar designs.
Please, start your own thread.
Sparky
Like anything else, there'll be good and bad designs. I think that linear TTs popularity suffered from a few things, none of them particularly design oriented. They were introduced largely at a time when a "new and improved" digital format was taking the world by storm -- who wanted to plunk down large cash on a format that was, at the time, doomed? The audio world was taking to plastic and low-cost machinery at the time of the linear tracker, at least the mass market companies with the large R&D budgets were -- many crappy plastic tables were produced that looked interesting, but were just shite and plastic. Combine that with people who were used to seeing good old record players look a certain way, and have a familiar footprint, and you have a formula for failure.
My Technics SL-10 is a wonderful machine -- it's the reason that I got back into vinyl again. Excellent piece of engineering, has truly stellar specs, and something that could only be made by a company with deep pockets to spend on development. Plays wonderfully, doesn't give a damn where it's placed, came with a stellar cartridge, and has a tiny footprint -- the exact same size as an LP cover. It has a cast aluminum case that could easily be mimicked in plastic, and was; it was easy to make a linear TT that looked OK, but was made with garbage instead of quality components. The Technics cost around $600 new, and still sounds like it. :thmbsp:
Upshot is, a well made linear TT is a thing of beauty, I love mine -- give a good one a whirl, see if it's for you or not.
My Technics SL-10 is a wonderful machine -- it's the reason that I got back into vinyl again. Excellent piece of engineering, has truly stellar specs, and something that could only be made by a company with deep pockets to spend on development. Plays wonderfully, doesn't give a damn where it's placed, came with a stellar cartridge, and has a tiny footprint -- the exact same size as an LP cover. It has a cast aluminum case that could easily be mimicked in plastic, and was; it was easy to make a linear TT that looked OK, but was made with garbage instead of quality components. The Technics cost around $600 new, and still sounds like it. :thmbsp:
Upshot is, a well made linear TT is a thing of beauty, I love mine -- give a good one a whirl, see if it's for you or not.
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merrylander
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With a good protractor and careful plotting it is possible to keep distortion due to non lineaity on a pivoted arm below 1% even though at the worst position tracking error can be almost as high as 3 degrees.
The PX-2 has a maximum non-linearity of 0.15 degrees hence distortion is practically unmeasurable.
The PX-2 has a maximum non-linearity of 0.15 degrees hence distortion is practically unmeasurable.
That's a funny definition, although your completely own personal attempt.
This thread is not even started by you.
How can you claim the right to decide who and what belongs here?
Skating force or sideward force...............pivoting arms or tangential arms.
Linear tracking arms are arms tracking linear!
Isn't that amazing?
:thmbsp:
"dolph"
secondslc
mmmmmarantz
That's a funny definition, although your completely own personal attempt.
This thread is not even started by you.
How can you claim the right to decide who and what belongs here?
Skating force or sideward force...............pivoting arms or tangential arms.
Linear tracking arms are arms tracking linear!
Isn't that amazing?
:thmbsp:
"dolph"
Can we please stop thread crapping? Either talk about the turntables or stop replying with these personal attacks.
You lighten up a bit.............
Here is an attempt to define what a bunch of guys aparently can't.
Difference between linear tracking and tangential can be huge.
"dolph"
Hi,
Now, that's an interesting statement. Please attempt to clarify. Just what are those differences?
Sparky
You can go back to the pictures I posted in this thread and get clarification.
"dolph"