'cisco
Well-Known Member
My 1980 Sansui liquid cooled AU-D11.
onepixel....cool looking liquid-cooled amp...never knew they made one like this. I heard of computers with them but amps? wow..... way ahead of their time ?
Mac vs the Japanese
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onepixel....cool looking liquid-cooled amp...never knew they made one like this. I heard of computers with them but amps? wow..... way ahead of their time ?
hwirt
Super Member
cmb3366
Well-Known Member
Here are the 2 best McIntosh sites on the internet IMO, TONS of info, specs, and even manuals.
http://www.berners.ch/McIntosh/en/McHome.htm
http://www.roger-russell.com/aboutmc.htm
That said, being a Jersey-boy, you're not too aweful far from the McIntosh Mecca right here in Vestal. If you ever get in the central NY area, take a ride to Audio Classics to see and hear all of the new and vintage Mac in person. Its really quite the store, having it as my goto audo supplier, I sometimes forget how spoiled us locals are; Accoustic Images right down the street is worth a walk through as well, although not even in the same league.
http://www.berners.ch/McIntosh/en/McHome.htm
http://www.roger-russell.com/aboutmc.htm
That said, being a Jersey-boy, you're not too aweful far from the McIntosh Mecca right here in Vestal. If you ever get in the central NY area, take a ride to Audio Classics to see and hear all of the new and vintage Mac in person. Its really quite the store, having it as my goto audo supplier, I sometimes forget how spoiled us locals are; Accoustic Images right down the street is worth a walk through as well, although not even in the same league.
jstang
Honey,I can't hear you...
I went to the real Mecca.... Saul Marantz's home on LI......
Thanks for the URLs... good idea on the NY visit.....I have to see how to work that into the schedule...
johnk
reggaenaut
Addicted Member
I did not know you were into them Grommes.
Or the simplicity of a Radio Craftsmen 500A. BTW Onepixel Sansui is really "cool".
sheltie dave
Addicted Member
Brian, you said it in diplomatic fashion. I would have stated "Accuphase owners often hold the belief that Accuphase is on par with, if not better than, McIntosh." The same can easily go for Esotec, and there are numerous examples of all Japenese manufacturers reaching the same pinnacle or higher. I would be hard pressed to find a Mac crossover unit like the Pioneer D23 Spec series.
I still have a MA6100, 1900, C104, MC2100, and MR67, so I am not unaware of either the history or the years of excellance of Mac. I have witnessed examples of the bow and scrape here, and I am also awaiting to read what vintage equipment from Mac is considered their best.
I still have a MA6100, 1900, C104, MC2100, and MR67, so I am not unaware of either the history or the years of excellance of Mac. I have witnessed examples of the bow and scrape here, and I am also awaiting to read what vintage equipment from Mac is considered their best.
Destructor
Super Member
I was using a fairly new Carver receiver, far from hi end but not junk. Then I thought, why not try a used Mac, so I bought a Mac MA230 integrated hybrid amp, SS pre with all tube amp section. After hooking it up I was instantly blown away at it's sound quality and build quality. I was hooked on Mac. I've since bought and restored a tube MX110 tuner/pre and it is my best sounding piece of gear. I also use a Mac MR67 tuner. I am not however attached only to Mac. I use various pieces of vintage tube gear including Fisher and Scott as well as a Pioneer SX828 solid state receiver.
hwirt
Super Member
SPECIFICATIONS: MC-3500ELECTRICAL:
350W RMS continuous. 500W RMS Maximum.
Frequency Response: 20-20kHz (+0 -0.5dB).
Total Harmonic Distortion: 0.15%.
Intermodulation Distortion: Unmeasureable - ie behold measuring instrument threshold
Hum and Noise Levels: -95dB.
Output - Rated Load Impedances: 1, 4, 8, 16, 50 and 64 ohms.
Output Load Circuits: Can be isolated from ground - ie "balanced output".
Internal impedance: less than 5% of Rated Load Impedance.
Input impedance: 200k.
Input sensitivity 1.1V RMS
TUBES: 8-6LQ6/6JE6B output, 2-12AX7/ECC83, 2-6DJ8/ECC88, 6CG7/6FQ7 6BL7GTA.
Solid state full-wave bridge rectifier.
DIMENSIONS: 19" Wide rack mounting x 10 1/2" High x 17" Deep behind front panel.
WEIGHT: 125 lbs
MANUFACTURE:
Sold from 1968-1971.
Axcel
Accuphase all the way
Klipschornman
Yamaha V-Fets
I like to think that what one prefers as audio bliss is personal. Having
said that, Mcintosh has on numerous times really sounded good. I found
myself constantly thinking about if the sound was worth the money and hype.
When I stopped mentally comparing and just started listening, I was moved
by the solidness of the bass and smooth midrange. This was equipment from
the seventies i.e. MC-2205, Mac 1900 receiver, MA-6200, MA-6100, C-28
C-32. Marantz, Luxman, Pioneer, Sony were brands that I visited often. But
then I heard Yamaha. The B-2 and B-1 to be exact. This was seventies gear
also. It seemed like Art Garfunkel opened the door and introduced himself only
after the Mcintosh gear was replaced by the big v-fets. No, they are not
the ordinary trannies, but Mcintosh could have used them in their R & D too,
so fair being fair the Japanese Yamaha amps were in fact more
transparent and won in every respect. I hope all AK'ers can find musical
bliss as well.
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Klipschorns-Yamaha B-1, B-2 for reference listening and surround sound.
Mcintosh 2205's Mc-2100 and B-2 NS-1000's for music and computer
room.
said that, Mcintosh has on numerous times really sounded good. I found
myself constantly thinking about if the sound was worth the money and hype.
When I stopped mentally comparing and just started listening, I was moved
by the solidness of the bass and smooth midrange. This was equipment from
the seventies i.e. MC-2205, Mac 1900 receiver, MA-6200, MA-6100, C-28
C-32. Marantz, Luxman, Pioneer, Sony were brands that I visited often. But
then I heard Yamaha. The B-2 and B-1 to be exact. This was seventies gear
also. It seemed like Art Garfunkel opened the door and introduced himself only
after the Mcintosh gear was replaced by the big v-fets. No, they are not
the ordinary trannies, but Mcintosh could have used them in their R & D too,
so fair being fair the Japanese Yamaha amps were in fact more
transparent and won in every respect. I hope all AK'ers can find musical
bliss as well.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Klipschorns-Yamaha B-1, B-2 for reference listening and surround sound.
Mcintosh 2205's Mc-2100 and B-2 NS-1000's for music and computer
room.
laatsch55
Super Member
In the mid seventies, fresh out of the oilfield, a pocketful of money and a poor Pontiac Grand Prix Model J I set out to audition my dream system. I live in Wyoming but also triede the neighboring states, Montana and Colorado.
I owned at the time a Magnavox TT/ Receiver Combo with some matching Magnavox Speaker cabinets with a 15" woof and a 12" horn. My first visit to a high end store and I was in awe, Crown, McIntosh, Kenwood, Pioneer, Sansui, Phase Linear, SAE, Sheesh what a selection.
I really had no idea what I wanted, save a reliable , good sounding system that wasn't going to be obsolete in a year or two. Stereo salesman at the time were not inclined to leave a 20 year old oilfield winch truck driver alone in their listening room and I probably did not audition a lot of gear the way I would have liked. But there was one store in Billings, Mt that let me have free run of the place for two hours to try any source, pre or amp they had. My hearing was never the same, not as you think.
My ears were exposed for the first time to QUALITY sound. Another conclusion I came to was the SYNERGY of certain combinations of equipment. A Spec 2 DID not light up a set of Ohm F's the way the Crown Inter. Distininction Series DL2 did. Loved the pure clean F's though. Loved the Spec 2 also.
At that time in my life simplicity of pack and move was a consideration. We oilfield types in those days were a bunch of gypsies, moved A LOT. The ear could tell the Spec 2 was having trouble with the Ohm's, IT WAS NOT having trouble with the K-horns, a Mac was having problems with the Ohm's also and for the life of me I cant remember the model number, but smoked some big JBL's.
Wound up buying a Spec system with some Bose 901's and keeping the Magnavox speakers for the thumping bass the 901's lacked, always wondered how the
Mac would have stood up after 33 years and 16 moves. From this thread i would guess pretty well.
And after all my rambling I guess my point is that the synergy factor is what stayed in my mind. Later I owned a set of Ohm F's driven by a PhaseLinear 700 off the Spec 1, with a set of Kornerhorns driven by the Spec 2, anyone want to guess what that sounded like?
Great thread, great input, The best of AK!
I owned at the time a Magnavox TT/ Receiver Combo with some matching Magnavox Speaker cabinets with a 15" woof and a 12" horn. My first visit to a high end store and I was in awe, Crown, McIntosh, Kenwood, Pioneer, Sansui, Phase Linear, SAE, Sheesh what a selection.
I really had no idea what I wanted, save a reliable , good sounding system that wasn't going to be obsolete in a year or two. Stereo salesman at the time were not inclined to leave a 20 year old oilfield winch truck driver alone in their listening room and I probably did not audition a lot of gear the way I would have liked. But there was one store in Billings, Mt that let me have free run of the place for two hours to try any source, pre or amp they had. My hearing was never the same, not as you think.
My ears were exposed for the first time to QUALITY sound. Another conclusion I came to was the SYNERGY of certain combinations of equipment. A Spec 2 DID not light up a set of Ohm F's the way the Crown Inter. Distininction Series DL2 did. Loved the pure clean F's though. Loved the Spec 2 also.
At that time in my life simplicity of pack and move was a consideration. We oilfield types in those days were a bunch of gypsies, moved A LOT. The ear could tell the Spec 2 was having trouble with the Ohm's, IT WAS NOT having trouble with the K-horns, a Mac was having problems with the Ohm's also and for the life of me I cant remember the model number, but smoked some big JBL's.
Wound up buying a Spec system with some Bose 901's and keeping the Magnavox speakers for the thumping bass the 901's lacked, always wondered how the
Mac would have stood up after 33 years and 16 moves. From this thread i would guess pretty well.
And after all my rambling I guess my point is that the synergy factor is what stayed in my mind. Later I owned a set of Ohm F's driven by a PhaseLinear 700 off the Spec 1, with a set of Kornerhorns driven by the Spec 2, anyone want to guess what that sounded like?
Great thread, great input, The best of AK!
Nice story. You chose well getting the Pioneer Spec gear.
jstang
Honey,I can't hear you...
Off topic but very vintage....
A friend of mine had an '69 SJ.... I think with the 428 HO, last year of that motor....very rare car and motor.
johnk
A friend of mine had an '69 SJ.... I think with the 428 HO, last year of that motor....very rare car and motor.
johnk