Marvel loses patent infrigement suit
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Could you perhaps provide a bit more deatail, maybe even a link?
Which Marvel - like Stan Lee and those folks (Avengers, Spiderman, Fantastic 4) or Marvel the graphics card people ??
EDIT - okay, after judicious use of GOOGLE, I found out its not Marvel but Marvell, the chipmakers! (Graphics card people)
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100341020
That would be useful....
musichal
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Maybe these guys?
I remember when that was some good stuff for my old cars.
Marvell is a chip design house. They have other foundries fab their chips for them.
The patents at issue relate to error detection and correction in digital channels, such as hard disk drives and memory. It's pretty esoteric stuff that employs advanced statistical mathematics.
Here are the patents.
http://www.google.com/patents/US6201839
http://www.google.com/patents/US6438180
The patents at issue relate to error detection and correction in digital channels, such as hard disk drives and memory. It's pretty esoteric stuff that employs advanced statistical mathematics.
Here are the patents.
http://www.google.com/patents/US6201839
http://www.google.com/patents/US6438180
No love for Viterbi? 
I wrote a bunch of patents for Marvell, maybe fifty or so. It was fascinating doing work for what I consider some of the smartest electrical engineers on the earthball. While I have deep respect for them I had to get out of it because my brain was turning to goo. Electrical PhDs are in a different league. They pushed this country boy to his limit. :yes:
I wrote a bunch of patents for Marvell, maybe fifty or so. It was fascinating doing work for what I consider some of the smartest electrical engineers on the earthball. While I have deep respect for them I had to get out of it because my brain was turning to goo. Electrical PhDs are in a different league. They pushed this country boy to his limit. :yes:
Choice of forum is always a consideration in litigation. On the bright side all patent appeals go through the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit. Those guys do a pretty good job of weeding through bias.
http://www.cafc.uscourts.gov/the-court/court-jurisdiction.html
http://www.cafc.uscourts.gov/the-court/court-jurisdiction.html
VinylHanger
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Being just a dumb hammer swinger... could someone explain what this will do for or against me?
Nothing.
In the big picture it's a few pennies one way or the other in the prices of digital devices. Unless you buy thousands of them there is nothing to worry about.
VinylHanger
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1.17 bil ... significant for a 4 bil company.. with possible damages 3 times that..
as far as the "nothing to do with home theatre" comment.. QDEO chip that is in the oppo's, and some HT receivers (onkyo)..i believe ther biggest market was phones, wasnt it ?.. yes, they will appeal.. a great victory for University research and patent protection..
Hbar
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as far as the "nothing to do with home theatre" comment.. QDEO chip that is in the oppo's, and some HT receivers (onkyo)..i believe ther biggest market was phones, wasnt it ?.. yes, they will appeal.. a great victory for University research and patent protection..
Hbar
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Actually it could be even more far-reaching than that, as Marvell is one of the widely used network chipset manufacturers... and at least some of those patents apply to communications devices.
However, if you look at the cited patents, it seems there's much prior art related already out there, including those by Marvell. This may well be overturned in appellate court.
electroking
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No love for Viterbi?
I wrote a bunch of patents for Marvell, maybe fifty or so. It was fascinating doing work for what I consider some of the smartest electrical engineers on the earthball. While I have deep respect for them I had to get out of it because my brain was turning to goo. Electrical PhDs are in a different league. They pushed this country boy to his limit. :yes:
Any engineer involved in the preparation of 50 patents will ousmart
a significant proportion of engineering Ph.Ds, and I can speak out of
practical experience, being a Ph.D. with a lot of engineering projects behind
him (but zero patents...). I will be studying and discussing this thread
with interest.
I also have about 15 years of electrical engineering and software experience, but that is almost all in engine controls with Chrysler. It was like drinking from a fire hose when I started writing for Marvell. Interesting experience but I lost a lot of sleep. Almost every patent application required me to teach myself about something new just so I could have a conversation with the inventor. Of course I could not bill for my education so I ended up working all day and learning almost every night. It eventually took its toll on me and I had to get back to what I know, which is automotive.
The worst for me is medical patents. I wrote one of those and my stomach churned whenever I envisioned the blood and drilling and screwing and such while the invention was being used. As a "hands-on" kind of guy my minds eye painted pictures that were a little too vivid. Again, back to automotive.
Anyhow it appears that the next hearing in the Marvell patent case is in May. It will be interesting to see if the trial judge dials back the damage award. I suspect she will. A couple of billion dollars is extraordinary in the patent world. Even then the decision has to survive appeal at the CAFC.
I also have about 15 years of electrical engineering and software experience, but that is almost all in engine controls with Chrysler. It was like drinking from a fire hose when I started writing for Marvell. Interesting experience but I lost a lot of sleep. Almost every patent application required me to teach myself about something new just so I could have a conversation with the inventor. Of course I could not bill for my education so I ended up working all day and learning almost every night. It eventually took its toll on me and I had to get back to what I know, which is automotive.
The worst for me is medical patents. I wrote one of those and my stomach churned whenever I envisioned the blood and drilling and screwing and such while the invention was being used. As a "hands-on" kind of guy my minds eye painted pictures that were a little too vivid. Again, back to automotive.
Anyhow it appears that the next hearing in the Marvell patent case is in May. It will be interesting to see if the trial judge dials back the damage award. I suspect she will. A couple of billion dollars is extraordinary in the patent world. Even then the decision has to survive appeal at the CAFC.
I worked for Lockheed /computer control back in the 1980's and the firehose analogy you used to describe your experience was like mine working with Lockheed. My visions were crash and burn up in flames. After several months of that nightmare, back to computer hardware for me.
Never had experience with Marvell other than loading drivers for networking in system builds.
I do believe that the billions of dollars will be deemed as excessive even for them.
