Adding a power amp is new territory to me. Off to do some reading.
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_021MP210VS/AudioSource-AMP210VS.html
Adding a power amp is new territory to me. Off to do some reading.
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_021MP210VS/AudioSource-AMP210VS.html
Lavane
Lunatic Member
Just remember doubling the power will only get you about 3db more volume. Maybe not even noticable. So, say you have a 50 watt per channel amplifier, you won't notice much of a difference if you replace it with a 100wpc amplifier. Being that your Sansui is rated for 35wpc, you may notice some more volume with the 100wpc amp you posted the link to.
But remember, your speakers are only rated for 120 watts. You can use a 500wpc amp with them,.you just don't want to turn the volume up so far that they start clipping.
But remember, your speakers are only rated for 120 watts. You can use a 500wpc amp with them,.you just don't want to turn the volume up so far that they start clipping.
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Speakers don't clip.
Lavane
Lunatic Member
True, but they can be over driven to the point they fail.
My comment was in response to this ^.
On a related note, I would guess that the power rating of the OPs speakers is peak, not RMS. In any case, it seems that with his history of tweeter destruction, they have trouble with power. Clipping can allow excessive power to the tweeters, and he is almost assuredy clipping the Sansui pretty heavily trying to fill the woods with music.
More power is needed to accomplish his goal, but so are different speakers. If it was me, as I stated earlier, I would get a nice pair of bookshelf speakers and a decent sub for good sound indoors.
Then, when conditions allow, pick up something like the Crown and some big-woofer party speakers for outdoors. Use the Sansui as an integrated amp for the bookshelfs, and as a preamp for the party amp.
twiiii
Lunatic Member
Celestion made some fine speakers. I use their 2000 series super tweeters with my Bozak speakers. And yes you definitely need more power. NAD has a smooth sound and is reasonably priced. So is Hafler. Bozak made some nice sounding SS equipment, too. The older Mac stuff with autoformers, 2000 series is fairly warm and smooth, too. 2200, 2205, 2125, 2155, 2255, are very well liked. But you have to buy the right pre-amp. C-27 or C-29. Both can be a little dry with the 7000 series direct coupled amps. The 7000 amps with autoformers retain some of that smoothness of the previous generation, but not all. I loved 2255's and 2155s's but they would need full restoration by now. An amp with a surprise is the MC 754. Great sound, and so pricey.
That Crown power amp is somewhat - visually specific.
How about something less gaudy
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_190SI2100/Niles-SI-2100.html?tp=180
Or,
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_190SI2150/Niles-SI-2150.html?tp=180
EDIT. Oh, see, now you've got me interested.. Those vintage speakers are exactly my speed. That gives me something to aim for. Those Mk 1’s. ...... mmm.
Lavane
Lunatic Member
Crowns would be a good choice. I was given three CDi-1000's that saw very little if any use.
I just haven't done anything with them yet. My plan is to use one as a sub amp. They have DPS which is nice.
I have become very aware of the importance of speaker placement and the amount of impact that it has to the sound that you hear. If you don't have the speakers positioned as close to correctly as you can given the limitations of the room then getting more gear whether it be an amp, preamp or even adding a subwoofer is not going to help. Very important to start with speaker placement first and then work backwards through the audio chain.
It might be that it is impractical having the speakers sit in the spot where they sound best when not in use but find that spot and since those F30's are not that heavy (had a pair years ago) you can just move them when you need to when sitting down to play music.
It might be that it is impractical having the speakers sit in the spot where they sound best when not in use but find that spot and since those F30's are not that heavy (had a pair years ago) you can just move them when you need to when sitting down to play music.
Wolverine gives some good advice. If your room has to serve multipurpose roll that can be difficult.
Find what your speakers are capable of in your room. For sound quality, not volume. Do some reading on speaker placement. With a little free time try to find best speaker and seating position. Even if that doesn't work for daily setup. As an experiment.
My 2 cents. I'm an audiophile, so clarity is my goal, not maximum volume. Never blew out a tweeter. If you hear distortion at high volume, speaker failure may not be far behind. With most speakers.
Find what your speakers are capable of in your room. For sound quality, not volume. Do some reading on speaker placement. With a little free time try to find best speaker and seating position. Even if that doesn't work for daily setup. As an experiment.
My 2 cents. I'm an audiophile, so clarity is my goal, not maximum volume. Never blew out a tweeter. If you hear distortion at high volume, speaker failure may not be far behind. With most speakers.
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JoeESP9
ESL's & tubes since 83
With new speakers $300-$400 is entry level.
I have no experience with Niles amplifiers.
Try them with you Sansui amp. With a sensitivity of 98dB (if accurate), you can get 92dB at 25 feet with one watt outdoors.
Cutting the headroom thinner, you could get to 98dB at that distance without clipping the signal too badly.
If you try this route, I would not run them simultaneously with the other pair.
If you do get another amp, look for something in the 100-150 watt range. You could literally be at small venue concert levels at that distance, as long the speakers don't give way.
If you go that direction, find a power amp with well-regarded sound quality, two sets of speaker terminals, and rated to handle 4 or even 2 ohm loads. Then you could connect both pairs to the power amp and use your Sansui as just a preamp. This would give the power and sound quality to get the most out of your Celestions, plenty of power to stampede any wild animals in the area with your party speakers, and the ability to run both pairs simultaneously.
And, if you end up replacing the Celestions with modern bookshelf speakers, the extra power will probably come in handy....many of them, especially those with decent low frequency performance, are of very low sensitivity.
Not urgent, but recapping the Sansui speaker crossovers might clean up their sound a bit.
Cutting the headroom thinner, you could get to 98dB at that distance without clipping the signal too badly.
If you try this route, I would not run them simultaneously with the other pair.
If you do get another amp, look for something in the 100-150 watt range. You could literally be at small venue concert levels at that distance, as long the speakers don't give way.
If you go that direction, find a power amp with well-regarded sound quality, two sets of speaker terminals, and rated to handle 4 or even 2 ohm loads. Then you could connect both pairs to the power amp and use your Sansui as just a preamp. This would give the power and sound quality to get the most out of your Celestions, plenty of power to stampede any wild animals in the area with your party speakers, and the ability to run both pairs simultaneously.
And, if you end up replacing the Celestions with modern bookshelf speakers, the extra power will probably come in handy....many of them, especially those with decent low frequency performance, are of very low sensitivity.
Not urgent, but recapping the Sansui speaker crossovers might clean up their sound a bit.
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BilboBaggins
Addicted Member
I've always found that Celestion speakers to be power hungry. Not familiar with the versions you have, so it might not apply, but if you were blowing the tweeters, you were probably clipping the Sansui 2000A. I really like the Sansui 2000 series. But not to drive power hungry speakers. Some Klipsch towers could be an option, but I think you are going in another direction. Good luck!
Jimbo40
Super Member
Lots of buy this do that.
Get a sub, bla bla bla.
The 2000 is a nice LITTLE unit.
But its small.
Your not going to get race horse performance from a mule no matter what kind of tricks you try to pull.
If it doesn't have the horse power and you have the volume at 3/4
It's never going to fly.
Start new with one of about a hundred choices at higher power.
70 to 100 watts.
The amp/receiver is the engine.
Start there. Not with subs and this and that bla bla bla garbage.
Get a sub, bla bla bla.
The 2000 is a nice LITTLE unit.
But its small.
Your not going to get race horse performance from a mule no matter what kind of tricks you try to pull.
If it doesn't have the horse power and you have the volume at 3/4
It's never going to fly.
Start new with one of about a hundred choices at higher power.
70 to 100 watts.
The amp/receiver is the engine.
Start there. Not with subs and this and that bla bla bla garbage.
Sound like more do this, do that, blah blah blah garbage.
Just about everybody recommended more power.
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