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Matching Amp to speakers..

spark1 said:
Sound like more do this, do that, blah blah blah garbage.

Just about everybody recommended more power.
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Spark, I just reread the post and of course you're right in what you said. The bla bla bla comment was a bit snarky.
I understand this is a new member so I apologize.
It seems so simple that I got irritated.
The OP Rates his sound quality 7/10, not very good, thats in my world.
He has a reasonable set of speakers that drink power.
He likes tunes louder than the receiver can deliver and keeps running it to clipping smoking tweeters but likely cooking the varnish on all the voice coils.
And with all the massive input from the AK crew he ends up buying a preamp.
With a simple power upgrade from 1 of dozens of excellent receivers, for example a serviced Sanusi 7070 at 70 watts would make the 2000 look stupid and with that they could wake up the Celestion f30 to the point where he loves them, and needs nothing else.
He has a receiver, not an amp, so why not stick with a receiver.
But no, according to the crew, get an amp, use your preouts etc.etc.
And your snarky back at me? For my in the face response?
Ok.
Hope I didn't steer the OP into a McIntosh 2000 series, oh wait that was someone else.
 
Drink power? They have a better than average sensitivity.

OP was trying to use them as de facto PA speakers. No amount of power is going to make them fit for that use.

If he wants LOUD outdoors, he needs different speakers - which he already bought - and probably more power.

Buying a new power amp is quite a bit cheaper (and more reliable than) a 45 year old, high power receiver...and he gets to keep his Sansui, which he likes.
 
spark1 said:
Drink power? They have a better than average sensitivity.

OP was trying to use them as de facto PA speakers. No amount of power is going to make them fit for that use.

If he wants LOUD outdoors, he needs different speakers - which he already bought - and probably more power.

Buying a new power amp is quite a bit cheaper (and more reliable than) a 45 year old, high power receiver...and he gets to keep his Sansui, which he likes.
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Please stop giving such practical and simple advice. ;)
 
You started out right ... and described an unsurprising need for more power.... 35wpc isn't much ..
And you're doubtless, lacking dynamics and punch which the speaker is capable of given more available headroom.from the amp.

Needing an amp ...
Order a 100-200wpc+ basic power amp with a decent reputation from a source that permits auditioning and return if not satisfied ...
Use the Sansui's pre-outs and plug it in...
You should immediately notice dynamics and bass that you didn't know the speaker was capable of ...

How did this get off into new speakers and pre-amps ??
 
spark1 said:
Always a good idea to read the thread before commenting.

You are covering no new ground, and missing a key point.
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I think he nailed it.
What new ground are you covering besides your lame attempt at picking apart post you don't like for some reason.
Are you the single thread corrector or are you like this in all of them.
 
Akustic said:
You started out right ... and described an unsurprising need for more power.... 35wpc isn't much ..
And you're doubtless, lacking dynamics and punch which the speaker is capable of given more available headroom.from the amp.

Needing an amp ...
Order a 100-200wpc+ basic power amp with a decent reputation from a source that permits auditioning and return if not satisfied ...
Use the Sansui's pre-outs and plug it in...
You should immediately notice dynamics and bass that you didn't know the speaker was capable of ...

How did this get off into new speakers and pre-amps ??
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I've been wondering the same question, and don't feel bad spark1 doesn't like my post either. I'm stupid too.
 
OP said he made a mistake ordering a preamp.

His Celestions will not, regardless of power, be adequate for the SPLs he needs to listen loud while outside.

They may certainly benefit from more power.

OP is on the right path with a second pair of speakers for his outdoor concerts and a power amp.
 
Thanks guys. Appreciate a lively forum. Its like hanging out in bars that we all havn’t been able to do for so long.

So, the SP5500X’s sound great. In a room. All the reports are correct. I’ve read a lot about Wurlitzer. Terrible insult. The sound is captivating. With the receiver I have, the difference is amazing to the F30’s.

But I need that punch. That the 2000a cant give alone.

I hate the look of the Crown 1002, but it have a place to hide it. There is one on the way. Arriving Saturday.

I’m expecting to still desire a sub. But reading about attaching it to the 2 channel Crown is giving me a headache.

Now, bear with me. I have an old automotive passive sub in the garage, Skar EV-10MB. Is that worth thinking about? Or buy a powered sub?

Noob question. Where does the powered sub get its feed Vs a passive sub? (Can I utilise the incorrectly ordered preamp?)

Any powered sub needs to be thin, if possible. Has to hide behind the couch. Crown gets a spot behind the TV.

I agree my situation is odd. Small house listening then expect a concert in the trees. With the restriction of not giving up the 2000a.

Thanks for all the replies.
 
Skip the passive sub.
So yeah I'd say go w/a powered / active subwoofer.
JMO ~ FWIW

There are at least a half dozen different ways you'll be able to integrate a sub into the gear you have.
And at least a few of those will have nothing to do with the Crown power amp at all.
The best / easiest way to connect it all will depend on precisely what sub you end up with.
And no you wont likely need that other preamp here either.

Word of advice when subwoofer shopping,look for a sub with both preamp & speaker level inputs as SOP.
Having both input options will allow for the most flexability as far as your connection options are concerned.
And if at all possible try to find one with a variable phase control as that makes difficult placements sound better.
Beyond that always try to be sure the Hz has enough range on the low end so you can blend it with bigger speakers.
I would'nt sweat it having a high-pass feature either,typically I run the mains full range and blend the sub Hz to those.

HTH

Bret P.
 
cappedup said:
The house is small, but in the middle of the woods... and opening the windows and filling outside is a fun thing to do. Or we are inside and as the night gets later and later the volume gets higher and higher. Twice now I’ve woken up to a blown tweeter with the F30’s.
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So either more efficient speakers, or a sturdier amp. If you're a fan of cranking it (sounds like you are), upgrade your speakers first, then your amp when you get a chance to.
Be patient and you'll end up with something that will put a smile on your face when you turn the dial way to the left and stroll outside. :thumbsup:

Cheers.
 
cappedup said:
I’d like to drive my system a bit harder than it will currently allow.

I really like my Sansui amp but realise it might be the weak link.

However my old floor standing speakers are nothing to be proud of. I’d be happy to swap those. If I drive them too hard I blow a tweeter, although realise this could be the amps fault.

The sound quality is a solid 7/10. I’d like to push for more.

Any advise on what to consider for a bit better clarity and volume?

Dual 1019.
Sansui 2000.
Celestion F30’s.

thanks.

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The benefits of a bigger amp with more available headroom should be obvious even at lower listening levels.
Your soundstage should expand, and the bass should have more definition, snap, and control. In general it should just simply sound much more lively.

Personally, I'm no fan of the sound Crown amps in a living room ..
Many other amps sound way more musical to my ear, but that's a personal preference, and regardless, you should notice a distinct difference beyond
just "How Loud Can It Go" ..

Let us know ..
 
Just glanced through the thread but did anyone mention bi-amping the OP's existing speakers?

They are already wired for it.
 
Akustic said:
The benefits of a bigger amp with more available headroom should be obvious even at lower listening levels.
Your soundstage should expand, and the bass should have more definition, snap, and control. In general it should just simply sound much more lively.
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:no:
Never experienced that.
Better amplifier yes, just more unused power, no.
I have experienced those things when even going down in power with a better amplifier.
 
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