I think you should re read your posts, not the way I talk to people read post 32 among others. Kind of arrogant IMO. No I dont want a battle with you or anyone, here to talk hifi which was what I was doing. I have more carts than many on this forum and only 3 are Grado's, two new versions but I have compared a LOT of carts to each other which is why I was giving advice here.
I think you need to realize that this is the internet and your not hearing me talk nor I you so I am telling you that you need to chill , I mean no I’ll will , it was a mistake and I posted that earlier but you just keep going and going . So I’ll be the one to bow out here , have a good one.
We are both trying to accomplish the same thing and that’s help the op so let’s just stay on track and keep it at that .
Ok all good, we speak in type here on forums... As I said I am a firefighter so very much a people person as I work with the public often at the worst moments of their lives so if I am sensitive this is probably why. Hifi is a passion and I have far too many carts, but they keep me off the streets so to speak.
What arm are you using the Grace on?
Mayware should be a match made in heaven compliance wise. I dont know the Grace, it is one cart missing from my collection I hope to get so cant comment too much on it. A trend though I have noticed with carts is mostly they divide into a few groups ie they are very detailed and light on their feet or a little less twinkly up top but have low end presence, some have forward mids etc. Few carts out there have the high end detail, live forward mids and slam it is amazing how many carts almost get there but are missing one aspect.Used it on the Mayware Formula IV, the Michell TecnoArm, and the Schick. It's out on loan at the moment but due to return home soon
I am a Brit that moved to Australia Pom). Probably a bit of Brit coming out in meWhat is slam ?
Slam being solid good presence and attack.
I am a Brit that moved to Australia Pom). Probably a bit of Brit coming out in me
Chris
Few carts out there have the high end detail, live forward mids and slam it is amazing how many carts almost get there but are missing one aspect.
Mostly true the only cart I have that breaks this rule ie that does high end presence in room vocals and amazing bass is my Decca super gold. My Grado Statement reference comes in second doing very well too but not up to the Decca and the 681 with vivid line stylus does well too. Mostly you are right though many of my finer stylus carts have the twinkly top end and thinner presentation and my conical's have that lovely sweet mid and good bass but miss that last nth degree of detail up top, I agree this is probably a lot to do with stylus profile. Some carts can do it all but there are very few that I have come across. Part of the fun though is the searchThat may be the unintended results of stylus profile differences.
According to some users, the fatter stylus have more mids and bass - 4 X 8.
The finer stylus would have more and high and mid range - 2 X 7.
Some classic stylus may even have 3 X 8 etc.
No best of everything stylus that would please every one yet.
Well I’m retired from the Army so I’m very much a people person but glad we could wrap up the confusion form previous posts.
This comes down more to the mechanical and electrical properties of the cart. The stylus is much more than just the diamond on the end. The weight of the stone falls under the mechanical of the cantilever, suspension, system in multiple ways. The mass of the stone will affect the bending modes of the cantilever in both 1st order, and 2nd order, and then in both the harmonics of both orders. Any movement in the cantilever should cause a voltage to be created across the coils. Those bending modes and harmonics of such created a voltage across the coils that the stone itself did not input into the cantilever.Mostly true the only cart I have that breaks this rule ie that does high end presence in room vocals and amazing bass is my Decca super gold. My Grado Statement reference comes in second doing very well too but not up to the Decca and the 681 with vivid line stylus does well too. Mostly you are right though many of my finer stylus carts have the twinkly top end and thinner presentation and my conical's have that lovely sweet mid and good bass but miss that last nth degree of detail up top, I agree this is probably a lot to do with stylus profile. Some carts can do it all but there are very few that I have come across. Part of the fun though is the search
Chris
The Decca is the only one without a cantilever, or a rubber suspension this will have a lot to do with the sound signature of Decca carts.
I understand how they work.......... here is a bit of a reprint from an older article, that the last part of it made me chuckle a bit.
...........................well, a lot. maybe they should retest.....
First sentence is inaccurate if we are talking Decca in general, Decca super gold is full of a red rubber like (not rubber softer) damping material. Also from personal experience accidentally dropping the cart onto the record wont do tieback any harm at all they are no more fragile than any other cart.I understand how they work.......... here is a bit of a reprint from an older article, that the last part of it made me chuckle a bit.
Because of the lack of internal damping, tonearm resonances have a more pronounced effect on the Decca than on other pickups, too. Slight torsional resonances that cause barely perceptible roughening of the sound of other pickups can put a marked edge on the sound of an intrinsically good sample of the Decca, as can pivot resonances and the undamped bass resonance between the cartridge compliance and the tonearm mass. Thus, while a fully damped arm like the Decca International will cause a perceptible improvement in the cleanness and sweetness of a typical pickup, it can make the difference between extraordinarily good sound or rather rough, glassy sound from a Mark V. So we will go on record as stating that, if you are not prepared to buy and install a Decca International arm, you cannot get the best performance of which the Mark V is capable. If you'd rather not, you can get almost as good results from a new Shure/SME 3009 Type II Improved arm. (Oddly, the sound in older SME arms is terrible—harsh, shattery and rough.)
A Rabco ST-4 sounds almost as good as the new SME arm with the Decca, but has earned a reputation as a system-buster because of its proclivity for scraping the stylus across the grooves as the arm lifts up at the end of a side. Paoli Hi-Fi 's Eugene Coggins estimates that more Mark Vs have been destroyed by use in the ST-4 than from any other single cause. The Mark V does not sound quite as good in a Rabco SL-8E as in an ST-4 (although it lasts a lot longer), but certain modifications (footnote 3) can make the SL-8E behave on a par with the Improved SME arm. We also learned, much to our surprise, that many users have gotten excellent results from Mark Vs in, of all things, that dreadful little arm that comes with the Acoustic Research turntables. Will wonders never cease...?
Read more at https://www.stereophile.com/content/decca-mark-v-phono-cartridge-page-2#XJDcYKMAzrfSmfXZ.99
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