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MCD1000 impressions

PHC1

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I got my MCD1000 yesterday, I let it burn in for about 20hrs on repeat mode and started doing some serious listening this afternoon. Having compared it to the 201 used as a transport and 201 used as a CDP/pre vs MCD/MDA these are my conclusions:

1. Starting with the build quality: Obviously the MCD1000 is in a league of its own as compared to the 201. Starting from the gorgeous gold "McIntosh" engravings, the glass covered schematic diagram on top, the thick metal chassis and the solid metal CD tray that slides in and out in complete silence and precision, it just screams "quality" and superb workmanship. When paired with the MDA, the matching looks compliment one another and they look great together.:thmbsp:

2. Load time is much quicker with the MCD1000 as compared to MCD201, where using the MCD201 meant loading the CD, walking back to the couch and waiting another few more seconds, the MCD1000 is ready to go by the time I get back to the listening position. The MCD transport is completely silent, no audible noises can be heard when the CD is spinning. Switching tracks is also a little quicker now. No skipping, freezing or any other anomalies has been discovered yet, not that I ever had any problems with the MCD201 either.

3. On to the sonics: I used the same Guerrilla Audio copper 75 ohm digital cable as I previously used on the MCD201 as well as a fairly expensive ($800 retail) Nordost Silver Shadow AES/EBU 110 ohm cable for comparison. The MDA makes it very easy to compare different cables by the way with its instant switching inputs with no delays or sound dropouts. The first thing that strikes you right away is the difference you hear in bass, the MCD is able to extract more of it from the CDs and it has more "weight" and "slam" factor. This is especially more noticeable with the AES/EBU connection. The Nordost cable may be the difference or maybe the AES/EBU connection itself over the coax? The bass by the way, is often the defining difference between an awesome and mediocre transports from my previous experiences, not sure of the mechanics involved but it could be the way the laser reads the CD pits and the vibration levels of a well damped, solid chassis vs one of lesser build quality. The MCD had "the bass thing" going on!

On further listening, the more subtle but audible differences were the attack and decay of the instrument transients, the MCD just sounds more "HI-FI" in this area, depending on the type of music playing at the time, the MCD just makes the music more involving. This was actually a very interesting finding, every time the MCD was in use, the music was just more complete, wholesome and involving. Yeah, the MCD got the "PRAT" going on too. I found myself constantly being drawn deeper into the music whether it was high energy multi-instrument recording or simply a solo violin, the MCD presented the recording with more emotion, communicating the message of music clearer thus I couldn't help myself but to be totally absorbed by the music. Where I often lost focus and would start daydreaming or thinking about something else while the 201 was playing the MCD kept my attention the whole time. This is often the effect of a great sounding system, when everything sounds just right, the music is just that much more fun to listen to and will constantly invite your attention to it, allowing you to relax and be drawn into music. The MCD communicated the emotion of music to a higher degree, where the 201 just simply sounds great but ultimately is just not quite as involving as it turns out.

One other finding from the few hours I spent comparing them is that on some CDs, the soundstage has a more holographic presentation to it, the layering of instruments front to back is a little better defined with a sense of more believable depth and space between the instruments, not so much side to side as the 201 is also great at this but specifically front to back where the 201 bunches up the instruments and flattens the soundstage out a little more, the MCD gives them a more proper placement, this is also a more of a "HI-FI" presentation that makes music reproduction more fun and real.

In summary, there are a few things that MCD does better than the 201 strictly transport vs transport speaking, as the 201 used as a CDP/pre falls way short of the MCD/MDA combo if one is into extracting all there is to have from a recording, although the 201 is a fantastic piece all by itself in a context of a less expensive, less perfectionist/enthusiastic system.

Comparing them transport vs transport, the difference is there, some things that I mentioned above are very clear and audible, some are too close to call. Both exhibit the smooth yet detailed overall presentation with virtually no trace of digital harshness, edginess or aggression, both are musical and enjoyable to the highest degree, the MCD being better at giving you a HI-FI presentation with proper soundstage width and depth, slightly better transients and being a good amount more involving overall. I have to say I am pleasantly surprised and impressed with the overall improvement the MCD is able to create. I certainly did not expect there to be much of a difference and I wanted to buy the MCD more for the purpose of having the 201 matched up with the 275 in a different system all together and MCD being paired up with the MDA. I would strongly say that the MCD is definitely worth the price difference over the 201 and anyone with an MDA should consider getting the MCD as a transport for the ultimate redbook CD playback system!:thmbsp:
 
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did your mcd-1000 come with a remote control
Strangely enough no remote control for the MCD1000, the MDA1000 does come with a remote, so does the 201, out of all the remotes, I really like the 201 the best, nice rubberized grip, backlighting, functionality and looks, the MDA remote looks much cheaper and certainly does not match the MDA's price, status or looks. Something McIntosh will surely address in the future as can be seen with the much better 201 remote. I hear the C1000 remote is very impressive by the way.
 
Nice review...something for me to consider in the future. What will you be using for SACD playback in your new main system? (If you are going to have SACD in your main system)

Congratulations!

AF
 
What will you be using for SACD playback in your new main system?
I don't own enough SACD's to worry about it, I do have a smidgen over 1000CD's though and there are millions more to discover, plenty to listen to.:yes:
 
Excellent review PHC1 . I find the same results when I compare a red book CD on the MVP861 vs the MCD1000. MCD just has more weight and substance.But I just love how beautiful the workmanship is on the MCD1000 as well as the whisper quite tray opening and closing. Well I just picked up two used pairs of electraglide epiphany X (the old real deal ones not the fake new ones their selling now).They should be here by the end of the week so I will give you guys a power cord update.http://vxn.he.net/~vxn0767/home.htm
 
Great Review PHC1, sounds like I need one of those! :thmbsp:

Consider putting an MQ109B on the output of the MDA1000 (That's what I have). It is relatively inexpensive and also makes a very audible improvement! Especially in the low end.

It has both balanced & unbalanced ins & outs.
 
Hi PHC1,

CONGRATS !! :banana: Finally, you had them paired.:thmbsp: Like I said before, the MCD1000 & MDA1000 are the best redbook CD player there is.:yes: And noticed you also got your 2nd system now in place.:music:

And as always, a wonderful piece of review. CONGRATS again!!!:D :D :D
 
Consider putting an MQ109B on the output of the MDA1000 (That's what I have). It is relatively inexpensive and also makes a very audible improvement! Especially in the low end.
Ivan, you lost me there. Not sure what the benefits of the EQ would be in my system. I am a "purist" when it comes to my system. I have played around with the tone controls with both the C46 and C2200 and did not find them to be of any real use to me. True, my speakers do not reach into the 20Hz region but adding an EQ into my system will not force them to reproduce the 20Hz, it will only add bloat and artificial heaviness in the low-mid bass region. That is exactly the reason why I avoided floor-standing full range speakers in my room, last 3 pairs of floor-standers required bass traps to tame the standing waves, and there was still some residual overhang left. My SF monitors do not need bass traps and reproduce the lower frequencies in a natural and balanced way, they just sign off on the bass earlier than the floorstanders, it is a very enjoyable way to listen to music with nothing getting in the way of the stupendous imaging and midrange magic my system is capable of. I am very picky when it comes to overall tonality, I hear any sizzling highs or bass bloat and the fun is over for me.
 
CONGRATS !! Finally, you had them paired. Like I said before, the MCD1000 & MDA1000 are the best redbook CD player there is. And noticed you also got your 2nd system now in place.
Thanks Jerry! Happy to finally join the ranks of the MCD/MDA club! They are truly special pieces of McIntosh gear!:thmbsp:

Just finished the "upstairs" system with the 201/275/Proac 1SC (on loan from a friend). Sounds great! I'll have to try some other speakers as the Proacs really like to have lots of breathing room to sound their best and I can't place them and leave them where they want to be in that room. But where they are now, the system is seriously good! Seriously musical and enjoyable, perfect for a more casual listening style while I work on the computer, etc.. in that room.:yes:
 
Hi PHC1,

Noiced you mention about floor styanding speakers NOT giving you the kind of bass you are looking for because of your room. Is there in any way you can T-Loan a pair of Wilson WP6 or 7? Try them, the bass is FAST, deep and arrticulate (like you - no pun intended). Coupled with the MC501, ... think you will like them. My fiends - who owned better, costlier models (like the SF Stradivaris, Coltranes, ... ) all agreed after hearing my setup. And I dont do any room treatment at all cuz my wife will kill me for "srewing" around with the decor.

Give it a listen, if you dont like them in your environment, at least you give it a shot......

Cheers.
 
Thanks for another great review! You must have been a real good boy this year and received all your presents early before Christmas. Have a good one!
 
My room always had a problem with the 20-30Hz range. It has a weird resonance at those frequencies, I think it's the wood floor, this room is above my basement. A similar size room in my basement did not have these problems at all (concrete floor) but it's a little too cold and damp for me to set up a good system there in the winter. I like the Watt Puppies, I haven't heard the 8's yet but the 7's were really, really good! I may actually try the Wilson Sophia's, they are -3dB at 29Hz and just may work.
 
Good choice. The Sophia 2 is good, but for the money, a mint used pair of WP7 would be better, ....... the 8 is not worth the dollars they are asking for. Too much for too little, .... maybe the 9, ......

I am thinking of upgrading to a pair of XRT30's and MC1201 to power them. Great as the MC501, dont think they had enough juice to fire them up unless one more pair. But without a pre amp - and like only the MDA1k to do the job, next best thing MC1201. Well, wishful thinking for now, got to work and save more, .......

Cheers
 
I was floored by the WP8's in a short audition. By the same token I was quite underwhelmed by B&W 800D's. I have seen postings about WP7 demos on sale for some great prices. I think WP8's will be my next speaker, but it will be a while. Also, I will need to step up to do a Watch center speaker and appropriate Wilson surrounds to do it right. That gets mighty expensive!

Have you checked out the Magico Mini's? I know they are hard to find, but I keep reading incredible rave reviews about them.

JR
 
MQ109b

PHC1 said:
Ivan, you lost me there. Not sure what the benefits of the EQ would be in my system. I am a "purist" when it comes to my system. I have played around with the tone controls with both the C46 and C2200 and did not find them to be of any real use to me. True, my speakers do not reach into the 20Hz region but adding an EQ into my system will not force them to reproduce the 20Hz, it will only add bloat and artificial heaviness in the low-mid bass region. That is exactly the reason why I avoided floor-standing full range speakers in my room, last 3 pairs of floor-standers required bass traps to tame the standing waves, and there was still some residual overhang left. My SF monitors do not need bass traps and reproduce the lower frequencies in a natural and balanced way, they just sign off on the bass earlier than the floorstanders, it is a very enjoyable way to listen to music with nothing getting in the way of the stupendous imaging and midrange magic my system is capable of. I am very picky when it comes to overall tonality, I hear any sizzling highs or bass bloat and the fun is over for me.



Here is my thinking on this;

I too try to be a purist (don't laugh) I am extremely critical of anything I put in the signal path or AC path for that matter. I am not into tone controls either, my room has been swept & has been tuned for flat response from one end of the spectrum to the other. Now keep in mind, I do like Bass; real Bass, not boomy or bloated but real in your chest "Live" Bass.

Keep in mind my XRT2K's go down to 16hz (Subs even lower), I found that I lacked some of the punch that I thought I should have. When I spoke to Chuck Hinton at Mac he suggested I try the MQ109b, after the MDA1000. He mentioned they were no longer being made but he might have a new one floating around for me to try. He also told me it would not alter or introduce any distortion whatsoever. Hey, it's a Mcintosh.

So, when I got it I ran balanced out of the MDA1000 thru the MQ109b then balanced on to my C1000, all with the best IC's money can buy.

I only use the MQ109b to give a very small amount of boost at 50hz +3db & at 30hz -3db. That's it, everything else is set flat with a minimum Q of 0.6.

The final result shall I say is "Marvelous" as I was able to A-B the unit both in & out.

We both know there are so many variables, speakers, personal taste, ad infinitum. For me & my System, the MQ109b simply worked out. Any questions, post away.

Best, Ivan
 
Masterlu, Looks like you like the classic upper bass boost. Me too, that's what is nice about TOOB's. I like bass and bass kick. Not much point having full range speakers if you can't get some kick with the top to bottom dynamics.

That is one of the good things about the C-46. excellent for when some recordings have little bass or a bit hot in the top end. switch the by pass to off.

Why don't McIntosh make equalisers anymore??.
Part of their rationalisation to be treated with respect in the hi fi fraternity?. Me I think they should have it on their high end pre amps - u don't have to use it.
 
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