Moral Dilemma-Killing a Coyote
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.22-250 Remington. 'Nuff said.
I hate coyotes.
Yep, that oughta do it from about a 1/2 mile away.
shimniok
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You REALLY need to check with your state department of wildlife (or equiv) to see what they recommend. For one thing, violating state hunting laws carries big fines. However it's quite possible that under certain circumstances, it is legal to kill a coyote or other varmint outside of any regular season on your land. Heck, maybe they can help you take care of it. I don't know. Definitely want to be careful with your pets. They are pretty much sitting ducks when faced with hungry, predatory wildlife. Friends of mine that live up in the foothills face that type of issue and only let the pooch out when under human supervision.
Michael
Michael
Elfasto
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Yeah, but in all honesty I've nailed coyotes with a .22 Magnum. It's a effective anti-varmint rifle as well, and far less costly than the 22-250.
Personally I do have a Marlin 25M .22 Magnum rifle with a 4X32mm scope on it. Works quite well up to 150 metres.
fropiler
Super Member
Under the circumstances you describe here, I don't see any moral dilemma.
Just be sure to make it a clean shot.
Sportlark64
Dyna Mo Hummmmmm
Pee-Pee deterant
I did that in Oregon . We had a Black Bear that would get in the yard and the dogs (all large) put him back over the fence . I found his furr caught in the fence in several areas so I marked the line post .
Guess what ,,,,,
The cucker came back one night and crapped on the front porch .
NOW THAT'S GROIN' A PAIR !!!!!!!!!!!
what if you go out there do wee wee and mark your own territory?? make sure you chew on a few vitamin tablets!!!)
I did that in Oregon . We had a Black Bear that would get in the yard and the dogs (all large) put him back over the fence . I found his furr caught in the fence in several areas so I marked the line post .
Guess what ,,,,,
The cucker came back one night and crapped on the front porch .
NOW THAT'S GROIN' A PAIR !!!!!!!!!!!
Sportlark64
Dyna Mo Hummmmmm
Pics of Wiley Coyote
I haven't seen him since Friday .:thmbsp: That 00-Buck and boom may have done the trick . It's beautiful to hear them at night . One pack in the valley and a pack up on the ridge . I think they're doing a Pincsher Manuever . We also have the Whip-poor-wills and Great Horned Owls .
We love living "out" like this . There are only 4 properties in our valley . The wild life is fantastic . Herds of Deer / Turkies .
I've caught 2 Armadillos by hand pretty funny time . "Bah-Wanna" took them to introduce them to the missus , then let them go .
Coyote/Wild Hog killing is encouraged her for the fact they are a nuisance .
I have the 12g. with Slugs and Buck Shot , My Marlin 30-30, and an AR-7 then a 100 year old 38spl. loaded with JHP's that belonged to my Gramps .
I'm strapped when I cut the fields and on my ATV .
If I plan on working up at the shop at night I drive up to it . After a short time here we figured we were part of the food chain , especially at night !
My neighbours took this and several others with the Coyote on the berm of our pond . The pond is home to great sized Hybrid Bass/Crappie and dozens of Catfish ,some are amost 2 ft. that we feed on dried dog food .
I haven't seen him since Friday .:thmbsp: That 00-Buck and boom may have done the trick . It's beautiful to hear them at night . One pack in the valley and a pack up on the ridge . I think they're doing a Pincsher Manuever . We also have the Whip-poor-wills and Great Horned Owls .
We love living "out" like this . There are only 4 properties in our valley . The wild life is fantastic . Herds of Deer / Turkies .
I've caught 2 Armadillos by hand pretty funny time . "Bah-Wanna" took them to introduce them to the missus , then let them go .
Coyote/Wild Hog killing is encouraged her for the fact they are a nuisance .
I have the 12g. with Slugs and Buck Shot , My Marlin 30-30, and an AR-7 then a 100 year old 38spl. loaded with JHP's that belonged to my Gramps .
I'm strapped when I cut the fields and on my ATV .
If I plan on working up at the shop at night I drive up to it . After a short time here we figured we were part of the food chain , especially at night !
My neighbours took this and several others with the Coyote on the berm of our pond . The pond is home to great sized Hybrid Bass/Crappie and dozens of Catfish ,some are amost 2 ft. that we feed on dried dog food .
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bigmacc
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I saw a tv program once were a farmer was trying to get rid of coyotes.
After trying shooting them, posion etc he came up with the following: (please note this is not my idea or suggestion.)
The farmer put up a night camera recording the route the coyotes travelled around the farm.
He then bought some food (whatever grain base product coyotes like) and feed them every night.
Here is the theory coyotes will kill animals to eat. If feed and not hungry they won't bother. At the same time coyotes protect their territory so would defend the farm from other predators. Coyote regulate their herd population to the area (again not my theory) therefore the farm became their home and the coyote herd remained the same size.
The farmer didn't lose any more livestock because he now had a wide life security system.
After trying shooting them, posion etc he came up with the following: (please note this is not my idea or suggestion.)
The farmer put up a night camera recording the route the coyotes travelled around the farm.
He then bought some food (whatever grain base product coyotes like) and feed them every night.
Here is the theory coyotes will kill animals to eat. If feed and not hungry they won't bother. At the same time coyotes protect their territory so would defend the farm from other predators. Coyote regulate their herd population to the area (again not my theory) therefore the farm became their home and the coyote herd remained the same size.
The farmer didn't lose any more livestock because he now had a wide life security system.
grillebilly
Empty Head
I know very little about coyotes, but have seen them a few times in my neighborhood. They cruise the streets in the early a.m. and have been seen by many of my neighbors. I think they adapted to city life (I am 10 miles from Washington DC). I know they have had pups because I saw 2 young ones together. One neighbor said one was playing with their dog.
I have no problem with them if they keep the rat and cat population in check. If I lived in an area where they could pose a problem to humans or food then they gotta go.
I have no problem with them if they keep the rat and cat population in check. If I lived in an area where they could pose a problem to humans or food then they gotta go.
pioneervato
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We have plenty of coyotes in our neighborhood. They roam out streets and many of them are (sadly) killed by cars. We found a young coyote dead on our front yard. Funny thing, I found no evidence of any trauma or wounds that would indicate how and why he ended up dead in our yard. He may been poisoned or he may have been sick. Either way I had the task of putting him in a trash bag and hauling him off to a dumpster in a nearby construction site.
We have encroached into their areas and they do quite well in adapting. Coyotes are opportunists and will do whatever they have to to survive. We hear them almost every evening yipping and a yapping in packs.
We have encroached into their areas and they do quite well in adapting. Coyotes are opportunists and will do whatever they have to to survive. We hear them almost every evening yipping and a yapping in packs.
We haven't "encroached" into coyote habitat. The vermin are spreading into areas they were never indigenous to. We have them in Columbus , OH. If I find one near my home/family , it dies. No remorse , no tears , no enviro-weenie regrets. They will kill your pets and your children if given half a chance. A coyote with your poodle in it's jaws ain't "cute". A trio of the varmints will take a 5 year old child if they get the chance. My mother had to beat a pair of them off with a stick in her front yard. Kill them.
A pellet gun will just train them to return when the lights are out. They're smart , sneaky , and predatory. Think small shark with fleas. I would not hesitate to cut one in half with an appropriately sized firearm. Seriously-if you have pets or children , or anyone in your neighborhood does , (DUH) exterminate them. A lot.
A canine predator in Washington D.C. doesn't pose a threat to humans??? For cryin' out loud , think about that.
All I can say to this is TURN OFF YOUR TV
THEY'RE FREAKIN' CARNIVORES. GRAIN BASED????
mulester7
LIVE from Lake Ouachita
.....I believe I'd have to go with this one....sorry....when cities expand through time, the increase of the city is a drop in the bucket compared to the woods and other undeveloped lands that still are out there....I would think Coyotes come to the edge of cities for easy meals....when the poodle or 5 year-old was dead, there'd be no changing it.....
fotno
Lunatic Member
The coyotes we have here in NC are not native, but an infestation caused by fox hunters bringing in mating pairs of western coyotes and the inevitable happening. I have respect for any living creature, and I won't kill without adequate reason, but for me the threat (proven in the case of these animals) is more than enough provocation to warrant killing them. It's not being heartless, nor callous, it's simply a necessary response to an ongoing and increasing threat. They have no natural predators here. If disease or starvation doesn't kill them they will continue to breed until their numbers reach the point where they are as common as starlings. Hunting them is the only answer.
zenith2134
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Slightly OT, but what about the sad occurrence of hitting a deer/cat/dog/whatever while driving your car? I hit a stray cat not too long ago. I was obeying the speed limit, paying full attention, and this black cat just jumps in front of the car, seemingly out of nowhere. I swerved, almost hitting a parked car, but my reflexes just weren't good enough. I felt REAL bad about it. I got out and tried to help in any way I could, but he was a goner. :sigh::thumbsdn:
It is a moral issue, in the sense that all of our roads used to belong to nature. Man has built an empire where there were once trees and wilderness, and this type of thing does happen. Just remember, nature will always win, regardless of what we build....:yes:
It is a moral issue, in the sense that all of our roads used to belong to nature. Man has built an empire where there were once trees and wilderness, and this type of thing does happen. Just remember, nature will always win, regardless of what we build....:yes:
The best-worst and last cyote hunt of my life.
I was with a good freind of mine and an avid hunter.
We where on a small mound just above a little valley and a long flat streach of land past the vally.The wind was blowing along the long flat feild with only a barbed wire fence then over a little valley or gulley then slightly uphill to us.So the wind was in our face and he was down wind and couldnt smell us.That is the best I can disribe the possition.I blew a wounded rabbit call and waited.Then once more after 10 min. Soon a Coyote came running along the old fence then turned and slowly worked his way in a slow zig zag from left to right slowly moveing closer to us.
We where fully camoflaged in home made gilli suits finnished off with lots of native brush and grass.He started out aprox.370 yards from us and as he crossed the valley we could see him,at 80 yards he came to the base of the hill we where on and we lost him.He was simply to low below us to see him getting closer.
on my left I heard a stick and leaves crackle.I turned my head slowly and looked right into his eyes.He was less thwn 15 feet from me.I turned rolling my body into position and shot him from a 19 inch barreled cut down Remington wingmaster pistol grip 12 gauge with 00 buck lead shot.My shot hit him in the chest,his front leggs colapsted broken.
his chest hit the ground.His front leggs where broken and parolised.He used only his hind leggs to push his body plowing along the ground yelping and crying.He did this for 40 yards before I could get up chase him and take another shot.My second shot was a sholder,neck and gut shot from the side.
He stopped trying to get away laid down and looked at me for a min. or two. then died.
For what seemed like a long time the eye contact between us said more that if he could have spoken to me in perfact english,we comunicated with out words.
He looked at me with a question on his limited but what seemed selfawhere mind.
Why? and please don't hurt me agein.I felt sick and havent hunted since.
your post remined me of that day. If you have to kill it use a high powered rifle,try for a head shot and get it over fast.
I was with a good freind of mine and an avid hunter.
We where on a small mound just above a little valley and a long flat streach of land past the vally.The wind was blowing along the long flat feild with only a barbed wire fence then over a little valley or gulley then slightly uphill to us.So the wind was in our face and he was down wind and couldnt smell us.That is the best I can disribe the possition.I blew a wounded rabbit call and waited.Then once more after 10 min. Soon a Coyote came running along the old fence then turned and slowly worked his way in a slow zig zag from left to right slowly moveing closer to us.
We where fully camoflaged in home made gilli suits finnished off with lots of native brush and grass.He started out aprox.370 yards from us and as he crossed the valley we could see him,at 80 yards he came to the base of the hill we where on and we lost him.He was simply to low below us to see him getting closer.
on my left I heard a stick and leaves crackle.I turned my head slowly and looked right into his eyes.He was less thwn 15 feet from me.I turned rolling my body into position and shot him from a 19 inch barreled cut down Remington wingmaster pistol grip 12 gauge with 00 buck lead shot.My shot hit him in the chest,his front leggs colapsted broken.
his chest hit the ground.His front leggs where broken and parolised.He used only his hind leggs to push his body plowing along the ground yelping and crying.He did this for 40 yards before I could get up chase him and take another shot.My second shot was a sholder,neck and gut shot from the side.
He stopped trying to get away laid down and looked at me for a min. or two. then died.
For what seemed like a long time the eye contact between us said more that if he could have spoken to me in perfact english,we comunicated with out words.
He looked at me with a question on his limited but what seemed selfawhere mind.
Why? and please don't hurt me agein.I felt sick and havent hunted since.
your post remined me of that day. If you have to kill it use a high powered rifle,try for a head shot and get it over fast.
Sportlark64
Dyna Mo Hummmmmm
Moral Dilemma- Killing a coyote
It could be a Coyote,Bob Cat, Cougar, Panther (We've seen both here this year-even though Mo. F&G deny their presence) or Bear . I think and can see many of you are inour same situation ,we live in their yard . Mighty big yard by the way .
I love some if not most suggestions and they have been a great help .
I don't do "Thrill Kills" .
My wife is Cherokee/Wyandott and holds true to their beliefs and paths . It looks as though Wile E. may have moved on for the time . Haven't heard the packs at night but I know they are there , and I love their song . But I can't and will not tolerate an animal of any kind that is a predator and have no fear of people .If he shows up I'll keep an eye on him and either my 30-30 or my pump gun and slugs will come into play .
Our neighbour raises Alpaca but they are locked up at night ,there is also cattle ranching (they call it cattle farming-I've yet to see them being planted and harvested !) none have lost any animals , even when the Big Cats were here this summer and fall .
It sucks b/T if it comes down to killing but I won't loose any sleep for sure . You do what needs to be done to protect your family .
You folks are a fantastic bunch and I never in a thousand years expected this kind of response .
We go out with the dogs now early in the mornings and from dusk until about 11pm. for their last "Do" . I would love to be able to afford some Gen-III Night Vision and just sit down in the lower fields in the truck just to see who's out there . It pretty cool living here for the sheer wild area and it's wild life . We really are remote .
Animals are "aware" if you really sit and watch them .
My old man taught me early on , if you kill something other than a threat you better be hungry cuz' there's your dinner boy .
We found 4 of our Catfish in the grass and on the bank of our pond last summer after seeing vultures fly when I went to the shop . I think now I know who's responsible . But that's just life . I wouldn't shoot him for eating them . They spawn and there are alot of young fish in the pond so the they need to culled otherwise the big ones eat the small ones and we don't have the fry growing . Been here 4 years and never fished the pond but our little nephew brought out 3-4 big cats last summer . He was stoked we got pics and let them go .Guess we're lucky to have a place out here . We could never handle city or town living . We have talked about moving closer to Springfield , Mo. but they get the more severe weather closer to them due to the flat lands and storm tracking .
Thanks to all of you , you folks are great !
If any of you track through this region , lemme know and we'll throw on some Blues,Brews and BBQ. a few Buffalo Burgers !
Steve
It could be a Coyote,Bob Cat, Cougar, Panther (We've seen both here this year-even though Mo. F&G deny their presence) or Bear . I think and can see many of you are inour same situation ,we live in their yard . Mighty big yard by the way .
I love some if not most suggestions and they have been a great help .
I don't do "Thrill Kills" .
My wife is Cherokee/Wyandott and holds true to their beliefs and paths . It looks as though Wile E. may have moved on for the time . Haven't heard the packs at night but I know they are there , and I love their song . But I can't and will not tolerate an animal of any kind that is a predator and have no fear of people .If he shows up I'll keep an eye on him and either my 30-30 or my pump gun and slugs will come into play .
Our neighbour raises Alpaca but they are locked up at night ,there is also cattle ranching (they call it cattle farming-I've yet to see them being planted and harvested !) none have lost any animals , even when the Big Cats were here this summer and fall .
It sucks b/T if it comes down to killing but I won't loose any sleep for sure . You do what needs to be done to protect your family .
You folks are a fantastic bunch and I never in a thousand years expected this kind of response .
We go out with the dogs now early in the mornings and from dusk until about 11pm. for their last "Do" . I would love to be able to afford some Gen-III Night Vision and just sit down in the lower fields in the truck just to see who's out there . It pretty cool living here for the sheer wild area and it's wild life . We really are remote .
Animals are "aware" if you really sit and watch them .
My old man taught me early on , if you kill something other than a threat you better be hungry cuz' there's your dinner boy .
We found 4 of our Catfish in the grass and on the bank of our pond last summer after seeing vultures fly when I went to the shop . I think now I know who's responsible . But that's just life . I wouldn't shoot him for eating them . They spawn and there are alot of young fish in the pond so the they need to culled otherwise the big ones eat the small ones and we don't have the fry growing . Been here 4 years and never fished the pond but our little nephew brought out 3-4 big cats last summer . He was stoked we got pics and let them go .Guess we're lucky to have a place out here . We could never handle city or town living . We have talked about moving closer to Springfield , Mo. but they get the more severe weather closer to them due to the flat lands and storm tracking .
Thanks to all of you , you folks are great !
If any of you track through this region , lemme know and we'll throw on some Blues,Brews and BBQ. a few Buffalo Burgers !
Steve
jaymanaa
RIP 1961-2018
Agree :yes:
Mark W.
Nut house of the Universe
I'm a profesional driver I log on average 250 miles a day. And I have a hard rule about critters on the road. If it ain't big enough to come through the windshield I won't swerve I might aim gently to try to not hit something. But having a very good friend who is now in a wheelchair for life after she swerved to miss a skunk and ended up slamming into a power pole along side the road when she over corrected.
And loosing a very good friend who swerved to miss a range cow on the road at night in Northern CA. And ended up going over a 40 foot drop on the side of the road and dying some 3-4 hours later while hangin upsidedown in his SUV. I've seen to many wrecks caused by trying to miss some little furry critter.
I'm sorry but when I weigh the options of hitting something head on while square on the road (a type of wreck most autos are designed to protect the passengers during) compared to the possibility of flying off the road in some spastic action to save a skunk. I have to go with staying on the raod.
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