Thanks,one more ques.My amp uses 1 6dj8 pre tube but amp has been making a rustling noise so i pulled the 6dj8 and turned it on and no noise,so i wonder if its that tube or an output tube,pins were clean and i didnt leave it on long ,could the pre have a bad internal joint? I ordered a nos sylvania to replace it.previously when it was doing it i had no input connected and moved the tubes around,to see if it was a pin problem,wiggled them,but no change ,rustling is out of my left channel,i crossed my el84 tubes left to right no change,still in left channel,btw its one el84 per ch not pp .So this leads me back to the pretube,i cant narrow further because it drives both channels ,thanks for any help or similar experiences