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My Empire 208 project begins

Yeah, I'll be interested to hear your thoughts too, having little to compare mine to. It's not like I've been doing the vinyl thing for decades before this.

I'm not sure yet. I was thinking of doing a comparo but its going to have to warm up down in the mancave before I spend a lot of time down there again.

Gary, what would it take to work up another one of those armboards? :scratch2:

I'm thinking I should have a couple more made too.

Time for an armboard party!!!:wave::banana::banana::banana::wave:
 
Gary, what would it take to work up another one of those armboards? :scratch2:
my new tonearm?

I had this one made in the time it took Jeff to run to the hardware store two blocks away, so not much. An extra Empire with a platter and I could knock off a few for you guys.

Walnut again or something else in mind?
 
I had this one made in the time it took Jeff to run to the hardware store two blocks away, so not much. An extra Empire with a platter and I could knock off a few for you guys.

Walnut again or something else in mind?

I can drop one by tomorrow! (yes I have a spare)
 
I had this one made in the time it took Jeff to run to the hardware store two blocks away, so not much. An extra Empire with a platter and I could knock off a few for you guys.

Walnut again or something else in mind?
The walnut looks great! I've also got a few pieces of bloodwood around here that might be pretty sweet, and I understand Rockler has a sale going on right now...
 
Short Update:

Nate provided me with a decent set of motor grommets.

I would be interested in getting a set of motor grommets for my Empire if they are available. OR a point in the direction of where they can be found.

thanks......
 
I would be interested in getting a set of motor grommets for my Empire if they are available. OR a point in the direction of where they can be found.

I just did an ebay search on "Empire Motor Grommets" and came up with several possibilities.
 
One guy on the bay is considerably cheaper at $25 for the set. Man that TT`s looking pretty sweet! Love the powder coat look, even though you had to go through the too thick for the screws deal but that will last a lifetime!! :banana::thmbsp:
 
How about some comparisons to the big Denon TT.

That was ... confusing.

Its only 48 degrees in the mancave this evening, but I needed to get this done so I moved in a couple of space heaters earlier and once the temp hit 55 I went on down.

I set up both tables on different phono inputs of my Yamaha C-2a, the Denon on the variable input set to MM specs. Amplification by my Yamaha B-2 driving Diatone DS-77HRX speakers. I find this pre/amp/speaker setup to be the best I've ever owned.

The Denon DP-62L has the factory straight tonearm and a Denon DL-160 cartridge that should be well broken in by now.

The Empire has a Rega RB250 arm and a NOS Grado F3+ that is freshly mounted.

I played the following three tracks as I am very familiar with each one and they make nice demo tunes.

"Another Country" Shadowfax, The Dreams of Children. Dynamic instrumental with exotic rythms.

"A Little Night Dancin'" John Cougar, self titled. Good old school JC.

"Donkey Jaw" America, self tltled. Acoustic instrumental highlighted by complex guitar rythms.

First was the Shadowfax tune on the Empire. Sounded very nice, very smooth. I could live with this. I hadn't heard the Empire on my Yamaha gear, only the flea powered tube setup. I moved over to the Denon and experienced more punch to the bass with a tad tighter presence, but the high flute notes were a tad shrill.

John Cougar up next, again first on the Empire. Nothing wrong with it but not too exciting. I was kind of wondering where the soundstage was. Moved over to the Denon and the thing just popped for me. Clearly advantage Denon.

America - I'm now convinced that the current character of the Empire is laid back and easy. Moving over to the Denon, again I was impressed with the liveliness of the soundstage - definitely more presence.

So, thinking this through I need to make the playing field more even. While I don't doubt that the Denon is a mighty fine table, I had not expected the differences that I was hearing. For now, I think I'm going to attribute the primary difference to the cartridge. The DL-160 on my Denon is a solid performer and has about 100 hours on it, the F3+ was a fine lo/mid fi cartridge in its day (late 70's) but would likely benefit from a significant amount of playing time.

Would more break in time make up the difference? I'm not sure but I'll give it a try. Or maybe look for something else. I also have a Linn Basik arm to try.........
 
Interesting reading, Jeff. Did you swap mats around at all when you were doing the comparison? I wonder how much that might affect what you're hearing.

I don't know squat about the carts, but it sounds like it may not be a very fair comparison there, either.
 
Did you swap mats around at all when you were doing the comparison? I wonder how much that might affect what you're hearing.

I did not. The Denon has a felt mat that I've had since forever. The Empire has a DIY cork thing from Menards. ;)

But yeah, I think the difference is in the cartridge.

EDIT: I really don't think I'll hear an improvement with the Linn Basik arm.
 
Your Empire TT looks terrific and the powder coat came out nice. Looks like a fun project. Did you ever put the Denon cart on the Empire and give it a spin?
 
Thanks Duff. I have a Shure M97XE on it for now. I'm not certain as to how long I'm going to keep the table so I'm not going to invest at lot in a new cartridge.

It sounds pretty nice with the M97XE right now. I'm sure that a DL160 or better would really open it up.
 
Looks great! The build quality of that TT looks stellar, too.

Really nice job.


If it were me I'd make the motor cover out of wood to balance it all out... ;)
 
Man, how did I miss this thread last year? Cool stuff, boys. Should make for some interesting conversation at the next Twin Cities AK fest.
 
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