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New caps for B&O S75 rebuild, where to buy caps

SwingModern

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Newly capped B&O S75, but 2 drivers still don't work

This'll be my first time replacing caps. Problem is, I don't know where to buy them!

I need three:
3.3 UF 25V
50UF 25V
12UF25V bipolar
 
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going to a higher voltage rating cap is fine, it's the capacitance you need to match.

I like http://meniscusaudio.com/capacitors-c-101.html for caps if I'm not buying much. they charge actual USPS shipping, so you don't get stuck with $15 in handling fees for $10 worth of caps like you do at PE.

and btw, you can go with non-polars for pretty much any cap larger than about 20UF to save some coin.
 
There are several reports online of the S75 crossovers overheating and getting scorched. I would be inclined to use high power ratings on all the components; I'm not sure which ones were failing, but I suspect the OEM caps and/or resistors were underspec'ed.

Great speakers, though; I had a pair for about twenty years and loved them. I restored them and my buddy has them now.

http://www.oaktreevintage.com/B&O_S-75_Burned_X-Overs.htm

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3928327&postcount=8

http://archivedforum.beoworld.org/forums/t/5163.aspx

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Above right are photos of B&O / Bang and Olufsen S-75 speakers that have their crossovers burned to a crisp, and oddly still function to a fair degree. We have seen this on a couple of other pair. We have purchased about 4 vintage / original pair over the last 12 years. One pair for ourselves. The first pair we purchased years ago, I have personally. The next pair, did function, but we found their sound was slightly different, one from the other after some CAREFUL and DETAILED listening, side by side with pink noise. After testing all the drivers independently with no appreciable differences, we decided to inspect the crossovers. That's when we were amazed to find charred wires, touching each other internally and burned / melted components. This was likely due to the speakers being connected to amplifiers / receivers that were capable of producing much more output current at 4 ohms than most B&O receivers and obviously connected to receivers / amps that were much more power than the speaker were designed to be use with (operator error, and in no way sheds negative light on B&O speakers). Most vintage / original B&O speakers are rated at 4 ohms, and at 4 ohms, most amps are capable of producing their max current into only the one pair of speakers. Don't ask me how the drivers still functioned connected to those crossovers. We parted them out and didn't think anything else about it, other than how someone had so overpowered a speaker as to "flame" the crossovers. Then the next pair that came in had similar symptoms. We had forgotten about the crossovers on the first pair, and did all the tests again. We then pulled the woofers and found even more badly burned crossovers. At this point I inspected my personal pair, for fear of a fire hazard. Mine were fine, however I am going to replace the very flammable wool, hair, shredded cloth internal batting with non-flammable insulation. The forth pair that has come in has the same problem with the crossovers. According to our math, that's a 75% failure rate! Just FYI when you're out there buying speakers from the "wanna-be's" on the auctions, saying that their "speaker tests fine" and is in "mint condition". Yeah, right...
While we have seen crossovers in other brands / models of speakers damaged due to overpowering, overheating, abuse, accidents, it's typically evidenced by exploded capacitors or broken / burned traces, or fatigued solder joints. We also see coils that have come loose from their moorings, but never anything this catastrophic. This is only a problem we are aware of in the original / vintage S-75 models, but it may be known in other models as well.
This is not a slam on B&O speakers, but a warning as to their 'mis-use' with amplifiers that are too large, or certainly larger than they were designed to be use with.
The B&O, S75's are great sounding speakers by design when used correctly.

NEW INFORMATION: Since originally posting this we have received numerous phone calls from recent buyers of not only original / vintagge 1970's S-75's, but S-30's, S-45's and S-80's (S-80's are 8-ohms) alerting us that they have the same issues. Virtually none of them knew the history on the speakers, but you can guess they were all connected to a power source that was pushed beyond the capabilities of the B&O crossovers.
 
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So, I just re-capped one speaker. It went well, but the two drivers that didn't work before the re-cap still don't work.

I've tested both drivers and they produce sound, just not when attached the crossover.

Any ideas on how to fix or what to do? Thanks.
 
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