If he won't let me bring a pair home he'd definitely let me bring my M-85 down to drive them in store. I'm going to go talk to him tomorrow.
NS-1000 sucessor
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I will. I hope I don't have my hopes up for nothing and he isn't even planning on bringing them in!
BroonsBane said:
Some people have all the luck!
30 years ago I did warrany repairs for the leading audio store here in my community. We serviced them all in those days. Sony, Yamaha, Pioneer ... Got see and hear lots of great gear but I had a bunch of kids to feed so all I could do was look, listen, and fix. That's where I heard my first NS-1000's and it was love at first listen.
VintAge,
I heard the NS-1000 hooked to a MX-1000 amp first time in a musician's house who had humbly invited me to have a look at his so called low end system, that time, I had a Krell KSA-150 coupled to Martin Logan Quests, was mighty proud of my big bucks esoteric high end system, was young so stupidity and ego was also a major contributor. Within 15 minutes, I was in love, within an hour, I had decided to sell all my system off and so I did, the best stroke of luck was I managed to find myself a in the box NS-1000x to start, the MX-1000 was already available, so was the exquisite but lower wattage MX-2000, gave both of them thorough audition, the MX-2000 was not brutal like the 1000, but sadly due to lower power rating, it also lacked authority to drive the carbon fiber 1000x woofers, so it was MX-1000+CX-1000 pre and the dealer gave me a fantastic deal on the CDX-1050.
I heard the NS-1000 hooked to a MX-1000 amp first time in a musician's house who had humbly invited me to have a look at his so called low end system, that time, I had a Krell KSA-150 coupled to Martin Logan Quests, was mighty proud of my big bucks esoteric high end system, was young so stupidity and ego was also a major contributor. Within 15 minutes, I was in love, within an hour, I had decided to sell all my system off and so I did, the best stroke of luck was I managed to find myself a in the box NS-1000x to start, the MX-1000 was already available, so was the exquisite but lower wattage MX-2000, gave both of them thorough audition, the MX-2000 was not brutal like the 1000, but sadly due to lower power rating, it also lacked authority to drive the carbon fiber 1000x woofers, so it was MX-1000+CX-1000 pre and the dealer gave me a fantastic deal on the CDX-1050.
I apologize if anyone read my previous post and misunderstood my intent. In my opinion, based on the pictures on the linked website, I don't think the soavos look expensive. In person, they might be gorgeous. Further, I would never throw them aside based on looks on a website/brochure without an audition. Again, the looks, depending on where a person installs them, may not matter that much and contrary to my impression of the pictures, they might look great.
I recently, for the first time, had a chance to live with some borrowed NS-1000XW speakers that I was thinking of buying based on their reputation. They were likely the most open sounding midrange/highs I have ever heard in a box speaker. The bass was tight, but also very weak. I decided not to buy them as I felt my present speakers outperformed them. However, the tempting part was their size/performance ratio. I think they'd be perfect for a smaller room.. like a bedroom etc.
Overall, given the size of NS-1000 series, they are a very remarkable speaker. I hope the Soavo comes close to the performance level set by the vintage models.
I recently, for the first time, had a chance to live with some borrowed NS-1000XW speakers that I was thinking of buying based on their reputation. They were likely the most open sounding midrange/highs I have ever heard in a box speaker. The bass was tight, but also very weak. I decided not to buy them as I felt my present speakers outperformed them. However, the tempting part was their size/performance ratio. I think they'd be perfect for a smaller room.. like a bedroom etc.
Overall, given the size of NS-1000 series, they are a very remarkable speaker. I hope the Soavo comes close to the performance level set by the vintage models.
Arkay
Lunatic Member
Cosmos said:
Ditto -What he said!
While talking about these speakers but slightly off-topic, has anyone compared the sound of those beryllium tweeters to the Heil AMT's? Crossover issues with the Heils aside, I'd be curious to know how they compare. I'm a new Heil owner, but haven't heard those Yamaha tweeters yet (unless in another speaker).
Never heard the NS-1000XW so can't comment on them but my NS-1000x has fantastic bass which goes with the best of the speakers including the latest ones. Whats awesome about 1000x/M bass is that its darn natural, no boominess, of course they need a high current huge power reserve amps like Yamaha's M/MX or MX-D to really come to their full potential.
Yamaha1 said:VintAge,
I heard the NS-1000 hooked to a MX-1000 amp first time in a musician's house who had humbly invited me to have a look at his so called low end system, that time, I had a Krell KSA-150 coupled to Martin Logan Quests, was mighty proud of my big bucks esoteric high end system, was young so stupidity and ego was also a major contributor. Within 15 minutes, I was in love, within an hour, I had decided to sell all my system off and so I did, the best stroke of luck was I managed to find myself a in the box NS-1000x to start, the MX-1000 was already available, so was the exquisite but lower wattage MX-2000, gave both of them thorough audition, the MX-2000 was not brutal like the 1000, but sadly due to lower power rating, it also lacked authority to drive the carbon fiber 1000x woofers, so it was MX-1000+CX-1000 pre and the dealer gave me a fantastic deal on the CDX-1050.
Nice!::thmbsp:
morksbeanbag
Alarmingly Handsome Chap
So glad i've got a pair of NS-1000M's. One is now completed bar the tweeter. Anyway i've got lots of pics and questions that i'll post later. I'm amazed after all this time there is basically nothing out there to beat them.
I was wondering what centre would be a great match for my 1000's, maybe the Soavo 900c would be a good choice?
I see Yamaha have just launched a new Soavo model too the Soavo 2!
I was wondering what centre would be a great match for my 1000's, maybe the Soavo 900c would be a good choice?
I see Yamaha have just launched a new Soavo model too the Soavo 2!
Hmmm.......twice the size and half the weight doesn't do it for the 'old school' me. My speakers have to weigh more than 75 pounds and amps more than 50. Weight = quality is as good a rule-of-thumb in stereo as anything (the best vintage rule-of-thumb is stick with Yamaha or Sony :thmbsp: ). I do like the accelerometer tests that JA applies in his speaker reviews. Tells a great deal about cabinet design/quality. Being an old fart, I'll just stay with the NS-1000.
morksbeanbag
Alarmingly Handsome Chap
Yamaha1 said:
I thought about the NS-300 as a match for the NS-1000's, i saw a mint one on ebay and it went for £15. I missed it as i was busy making pasta and pesto. £15....can't beleive it.
I went to the cinema in town about 2 weeks ago to see '300' (the film was awful) and i realised how important it is to have a really good centre speaker that can properly reproduce bass tones. Thats why i was after the NS-C300, i've had one before but sold it to use my B&W. The LCR60 S3 is a good speaker but its just too small for such a crucial speaker in the setup.
Oh yeah....i've finally managed to buy a DSP-AZ1 (RX-Z1 in the U.S), i've wanted one of those for years. Finally got one
Should arrive soon. I'll get it cleaned up and get plenty of innards photos sent in. Anyone want to see my refurbed NS-1000M crossover?
morksbeanbag said:
Sure, we love to see Yamaha anything
While I'm not planning on rushing out to sell my 1000M's and replace them with the Soavo's I'm very very curious to hear what Yamaha's new TOTL speaker sounds like. I never made it in to my dealer yesterday but I'm hoping to today.
morksbeanbag
Alarmingly Handsome Chap
Here's a couple of pics.
I changed out the old electrolytic bass caps with new SCR and wilmslow supersound polypropylene caps, the old ones were both 47uF 50v making 94uF. I used a 39uF, 51uF and 4uF giving the same rating but with much higher voltage capability. The electrolytics i took out felt light, usually a sign they are dry.
All wiring was swapped out for flexible Gale OFC cable. The wiring for the midrange cap bank was replaced (the old stuff had started to corrode. I replaced this with laquered copper wire with the laquer scraped back only where needed. The large caps were held down with cable ties. The tweeter 2.7uF was moved to the underneath of the board as it wouldn't fit on top, the thin old linking wire connecting the tweeter signal across the board was replaced with a chunkier copper bus bar stolen from an RX-V800 power amp board.
The evil springclips were replaced with some good binding posts from a pair of Eltax symphony 8.2 speakers. No plastic parts on them.
Any loose peices of potential holes out to the back (near the binding post board) was covered with epoxy resin to seal everything.
The L-pads were given a good polish and clean.
For the time being i'm using some eltax tweeter units (again stolen from the 8.2'S in the loft) until i've made some speaker stands out of steel for them. After that al i need to do is order some tweeters (hope glenn is still ok with that) and they'll be ready.
I'm working on grilles at the moment but they're not a pressing issue at all.
What do you all think?
I changed out the old electrolytic bass caps with new SCR and wilmslow supersound polypropylene caps, the old ones were both 47uF 50v making 94uF. I used a 39uF, 51uF and 4uF giving the same rating but with much higher voltage capability. The electrolytics i took out felt light, usually a sign they are dry.
All wiring was swapped out for flexible Gale OFC cable. The wiring for the midrange cap bank was replaced (the old stuff had started to corrode. I replaced this with laquered copper wire with the laquer scraped back only where needed. The large caps were held down with cable ties. The tweeter 2.7uF was moved to the underneath of the board as it wouldn't fit on top, the thin old linking wire connecting the tweeter signal across the board was replaced with a chunkier copper bus bar stolen from an RX-V800 power amp board.
The evil springclips were replaced with some good binding posts from a pair of Eltax symphony 8.2 speakers. No plastic parts on them.
Any loose peices of potential holes out to the back (near the binding post board) was covered with epoxy resin to seal everything.
The L-pads were given a good polish and clean.
For the time being i'm using some eltax tweeter units (again stolen from the 8.2'S in the loft) until i've made some speaker stands out of steel for them. After that al i need to do is order some tweeters (hope glenn is still ok with that) and they'll be ready.
I'm working on grilles at the moment but they're not a pressing issue at all.
What do you all think?
