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Ohm Model L Questions

Hey Joe, if you're in or near N. Ca I have a pair of Ohm C-2's, the L-1, L-2's big brother for sale for $350.00. NO SBA, but both woofers have been refoamed with (Luney tunes surrounds), crossovers have been rebuilt, the cloth, wood and veneer, and finish is in excellent shape none missing, and they sound fantastic. Absolutely NO SHIPPING anywhere and no Scams. Also, it seems like Ohm audio isn't the same after John passed.
 
I agree they are nice looking woofers. I wonder if they found a source for New cast frames or finished woofers. Do the frames look new without scratches at mounting holes? I see they are marked also for model H. I heard the H in 1977. They did some bass! But I couldn't afford them.

I had my C2 10" woofers updated with SBA in '15. Shipped to them. There was a voice coil rub after. John sent me another pair. They have a poly cone. They charged $350 at that time. Sound very nice.
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Not being there to look at your woofers. Do you see any resisters or capacitors on or in the woofer? I wonder if there's anything under that metal dish shaped cover on magnet.
Guess I would question Ohm why those woofers don't need the SBA circuit on magnet as in the past. I think that's a fair question to ask.

I imagine Ohm has some customers who no longer had the original woofers for rebuilding. So they may have found a new woofer source. Speculation on my part. But, you have no way to compare sound of New verses rebuilt with SBA woofers.

Ohm was above board when I dealt with them. The only detractors I've read on AK, was complains about cost of upgrades. I look at costs of new speakers and compare.
 
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I agree. But they are telling me their new replacement woofers have been redesigned and don’t need the SBA. And that where I’m calling bs.


This is the best I have of my original

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This what was sent me. If you look at post 17, his woofers have a larger magnet and the SBA attached. That was 5 years ago. All of a sudden they have new woofers?

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Hey @JoePaps, welcome to AudioKarma!

I've had very similar experience(s) with Ohm Acoustics in the past, regarding their timelines. Or lack thereof. And seemingly lack of order behind the scenes sometimes. Deriving from updating a myriad of legacy speakers I would purchase through the years. I sold many, recently C2's.. Again. But I still have H's, Ayes, Walsh 2's, a custom Walsh 4000 center short & an early subwoofer of theirs, the N2. This was largely before John had passed. So In my experience, nothing at Ohm has changed or gone down hill there. Lol. It appears it's business as usual. I believe it's because of the duality of their business model. And their primary focus remains the Walsh line fabrication and sales. And that's fine. I would just like more transparency about the timeline most of all.

I've had my gripes with them over the years. But I do take a bit of a nitpick with the idea that Ohm is straight out trying to scam you. It does appear that there was a miscommunication between themselves, but they are operating out of 2 different locations since John died. I honestly can't say I'm surprised. Not that it's an excuse. However they have been in business since 1971(?) and were major pioneers on the forefront of the HiFi explosion. They've always been customer satisfaction forward and provide excellent sound at attractive prices. Including the refurbishing and servicing of legacy speakers, which very few companies still do.

The original woofers in your L's to me look like old friends. I've seen so many of them. I know their sound. But they're tired boss.

The refurbished L's that were sent to you are completely new. I've never seen them before in the wild. The cast basket structure is totally new. It looks very nice and appears nicely finished.

The woofer material looks very similar to that of the type they use for the L2. They very well may have carried that back over to the L model in favor of material longevity. As it appears there's also a heavy duty butyl rubber surround attached. That thing is never going to break down over time (like 50 years + with hard use), and has a nice long excursion capability to move air with lower distortion through the port. The felt dust cover are the new type that Evan said himself jokingly "only come with the entire woofer", when asked about providing just the caps as a legacy repair.

Then finally comes the magnet and motor structure. The wires hanging off look pretty damn heavy duty and appear exactly like the type I'm familiar with that attach from an SBA. Ditto the spider. Though the magnet structure itself, is totally new. We can't see the interior motor (the copper voice coil windings etc.) but I'm willing to bet that there is an inductor in the donut area and the rest of the cross over network is built into and around the frame. Very much like a professional in-wall or in-ceiling speaker one would install in a custom home audio or theater project. In my line of work in the past, as an installer these are the norm.

It's a cleaner look and I think I like it better. I've had problems in the past with the double sided tape giving up, and letting the SBA loose inside the cabinet. I'd have to remove the woofer and do my own thing with it. As I also had to do with the port adapters for my ayes. It seems they still never got that straight - & that is unacceptable. Sorry to hear about that because it is a legitimate issue.

For reference here is a picture of the rear from one of the woofers from my updated H's :
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I'd say yours looks a lot more neat.

The fronts :
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I hope this helps shed some light on things! I genuinely do not think Ohm is trying to do anything under handed here. What I do think they're doing, is continuing to be themselves. As a company & their speakers ; think of them like they're like you're extremely brilliant friend. They're really fun to be around, you can listen to them for hours and almost any topic is something you'd be interested to touch on. But their time management / organizational skills suck with a capital S!


All the best Joe. Install those bad boys with confidence & as John would say, Good Listening!
 
I Agree with MetalDaze. Install the woofers and hear what they sound like. Might take some hours to break in the surrounds. Bet they loosen up with use.

Let us know what you think of the sound.
 
Those modern replacement woofers look very nice!
The baskets look similar to the baskets on my JBL 128H woofers and PR300 passive radiators that produce ground shaking low bass.
Back around April 2024 I used a pair of 1990's Cam42 replacement Model L woofers with the poly cones as cores to exchange for the proper Model L woofers with SBA.
I will attach pics of what I sent to them and what I received back.
My transaction went through no problems at all. Evan and Ohm seemed like a professional and reliable company to me.
Yes,expensive but the Model L's sound fantastic and give the feel of very high quality cabinets with the exception of the wrinkled ring around the front of the woofers,looks a little cheesy :biggrin:


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Hey Joe, if you're in or near N. Ca I have a pair of Ohm C-2's, the L-1, L-2's big brother for sale for $350.00. NO SBA, but both woofers have been refoamed with (Luney tunes surrounds), crossovers have been rebuilt, the cloth, wood and veneer, and finish is in excellent shape none missing, and they sound fantastic. Absolutely NO SHIPPING anywhere and no Scams. Also, it seems like Ohm audio isn't the same after John passed.
I was near you a few weeks ago. Lol. I am based in NJ. Thank you though!
 
I agree they are nice looking woofers. I wonder if they found a source for New cast frames or finished woofers. Do the frames look new without scratches at mounting holes? I see they are marked also for model H. I heard the H in 1977. They did some bass! But I couldn't afford them.

I had my C2 10" woofers updated with SBA in '15. Shipped to them. There was a voice coil rub after. John sent me another pair. They have a poly cone. They charged $350 at that time. Sound very nice.
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Not being there to look at your woofers. Do you see any resisters or capacitors on or in the woofer? I wonder if there's anything under that metal dish shaped cover on magnet.
Guess I would question Ohm why those woofers don't need the SBA circuit on magnet as in the past. I think that's a fair question to ask.

I imagine Ohm has some customers who no longer had the original woofers for rebuilding. So they may have found a new woofer source. Speculation on my part. But, you have no way to compare sound of New verses rebuilt with SBA woofers.

Ohm was above board when I dealt with them. The only detractors I've read on AK, was complains about cost of upgrades. I look at costs of new speakers and compare.

Thank you. I will take a look when I can. My plan is to connect everything this week. I've been working on a Marantz 2325 I picked up a couple of weeks ago so I haven't installed the woofers yet.
 
Hey @JoePaps, welcome to AudioKarma!

I've had very similar experience(s) with Ohm Acoustics in the past, regarding their timelines. Or lack thereof. And seemingly lack of order behind the scenes sometimes. Deriving from updating a myriad of legacy speakers I would purchase through the years. I sold many, recently C2's.. Again. But I still have H's, Ayes, Walsh 2's, a custom Walsh 4000 center short & an early subwoofer of theirs, the N2. This was largely before John had passed. So In my experience, nothing at Ohm has changed or gone down hill there. Lol. It appears it's business as usual. I believe it's because of the duality of their business model. And their primary focus remains the Walsh line fabrication and sales. And that's fine. I would just like more transparency about the timeline most of all.

I've had my gripes with them over the years. But I do take a bit of a nitpick with the idea that Ohm is straight out trying to scam you. It does appear that there was a miscommunication between themselves, but they are operating out of 2 different locations since John died. I honestly can't say I'm surprised. Not that it's an excuse. However they have been in business since 1971(?) and were major pioneers on the forefront of the HiFi explosion. They've always been customer satisfaction forward and provide excellent sound at attractive prices. Including the refurbishing and servicing of legacy speakers, which very few companies still do.

The original woofers in your L's to me look like old friends. I've seen so many of them. I know their sound. But they're tired boss.

The refurbished L's that were sent to you are completely new. I've never seen them before in the wild. The cast basket structure is totally new. It looks very nice and appears nicely finished.

The woofer material looks very similar to that of the type they use for the L2. They very well may have carried that back over to the L model in favor of material longevity. As it appears there's also a heavy duty butyl rubber surround attached. That thing is never going to break down over time (like 50 years + with hard use), and has a nice long excursion capability to move air with lower distortion through the port. The felt dust cover are the new type that Evan said himself jokingly "only come with the entire woofer", when asked about providing just the caps as a legacy repair.

Then finally comes the magnet and motor structure. The wires hanging off look pretty damn heavy duty and appear exactly like the type I'm familiar with that attach from an SBA. Ditto the spider. Though the magnet structure itself, is totally new. We can't see the interior motor (the copper voice coil windings etc.) but I'm willing to bet that there is an inductor in the donut area and the rest of the cross over network is built into and around the frame. Very much like a professional in-wall or in-ceiling speaker one would install in a custom home audio or theater project. In my line of work in the past, as an installer these are the norm.

It's a cleaner look and I think I like it better. I've had problems in the past with the double sided tape giving up, and letting the SBA loose inside the cabinet. I'd have to remove the woofer and do my own thing with it. As I also had to do with the port adapters for my ayes. It seems they still never got that straight - & that is unacceptable. Sorry to hear about that because it is a legitimate issue.

For reference here is a picture of the rear from one of the woofers from my updated H's :
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I'd say yours looks a lot more neat.

The fronts :
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I hope this helps shed some light on things! I genuinely do not think Ohm is trying to do anything under handed here. What I do think they're doing, is continuing to be themselves. As a company & their speakers ; think of them like they're like you're extremely brilliant friend. They're really fun to be around, you can listen to them for hours and almost any topic is something you'd be interested to touch on. But their time management / organizational skills suck with a capital S!


All the best Joe. Install those bad boys with confidence & as John would say, Good Listening!

May have sounded like I meant they are trying to scam me, but more than that I thought they were just trying to get me out of their hair and done. Evan was very good in the beginning, then any communication after that took a bit to get back to me and was a little "short" in his replies.

What put me over the top was Brennan (the tech) reacting the way he did. It just felt like if these woofers existed that didn't require an SBA he would have immediately responded with "Evan must have sent you the new woofers that dont need it". It was just silence and then he said he would send the SBAs out right away.

I ended up calling Brennan on Monday and he explained things to me in more detail and made me feel much better about it. I just wish I knew of someone whop has purchased these woofers as well to get some feedback.

Anyone in NJ with the Ls with SBA want me to come by with my Ls with the new woofers? Lol
 
So to report back, my Ls sound amazing.

I've been using them daily, for hours, since a few days after posting here. I have them hooked up to the Marantz 2252. Wiim Pro Plus for streaming. Technics D3 for records with a Sumiko Andante cart/Pearl stylus. RSL Speedwoofer 10s sub that I did turn off for a couple of weeks so I could hear just the speakers.

I've owned some pretty good speakers but these just hit a little different. We listen at fairly average volume. Maybe 70db at the top. I push it past there at times for sure. And I have purposely pushed them as well.

My partner, who couldn't care less about any of this, summed it up best. We were sitting on the couch just listening to Fleetwood Mac and she looked up at me and said "it sounds like they are playing in our living room".

And thats what I love most about these. I don't listen to a lot of different genres, but acoustic, rock, hard rock, pop, classic rock, progressive rock, progressive house, 80s hip hop, singer-songwriter stuff all sounds really great. Even my Spotify test playlist pushed its limits and it really held its ground.

Bass is surprisingly good for something this size. Maybe not very in your face, but the way it handles bass is why it is so good. Very musical. Quick. Didn't muddy the sound. I would say for those who do not believe in subwoofers, they would still be very happy with the bass from these.

But turning on the RSL took these speakers up another notch. Taking the low frequencies away from the Ls made EVERYTHING sound better. Sort of like driving a Porsche with 500lbs of weight in the trunk and then removing it and driving it again. And this is why I love having a sub in my system. Even the best towers that go super low still (usually) suffer from bad woofer placement. Rarely does it work best where the speaker is.

Please note, these are used in our decently large living room which opens to a dining room and kitchen - total of 800sf. Small speakers and a large space and they have zero problems in the room. My 2252 is (obviously) 52w/channel at 8ohms. These Ls are 4ohm so I guess the Marantz gives them a bit more power than 52. But even to hit 90db on the SPL meter, the Marantz is not even at 12 o'clock. I was pushing 110db at one point with zero distortion.
 
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