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Ohm Sound Cylinders - HELP!

mccarty350 said:
Ohighway...it's Apple's business model and somehow they are highly profitable ........ somehow it works for them and they somehow retain the ability to market themselves as hip and progressive while they take advantage of their customers.

I'll send it in and report back........
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Yeah I hear you. I think it's called being 'duped'. Says a lot about the vendor -and- the customer. I thought good business was about providing value for money. If you have to resort to gouging your own customer base to stay afloat, what does that say about you and your product? :thumbsdn:

I really despise that form of marketing. It shows a lack of respect for the customer who, after all, is the one forking out the money. Jeez, makes you wonder what will be next. Electronics manufacturers removing numbers from transistors and ICs so the customer has to pay them $35. for a commonly available $0.25 IC? Oh .... wait.... WHAT ???

OK, enough .... I'm done bitching about that.

DO keep us posted and DO enjoy your sound cylinders. Good luck !
 
Just as a side note, I lived with the Walsh 4s for quite a few years. Despite their flaws (beamy spitty treble), they sounded good the rest of the spectrum.
After many years and quite a few speakers, I finally decided to replace my Silverline Sonata IIIs with the Walsh 5000. They are very good. They fixed the issues from the earlier versions, and made it more suave sounding while keeping thier house sound. In hindsight, I should have gotten the 4000s (same speaker but without the tone controls). John wanted to sell me the 3000s saying the 4000s would overload my room. He was incorrect, so I got the 5000s in case I needed the controls. They are a small company, and still make the speakers by hand-mine took 3 weeks to make. I'm not going to gripe about their business model, since it is keeping them in business. Many if not most companies will not service products several decades old. Kudos for that.
Jack
PS. The woodwork is MUCH better than it used to be, plus you get your choice of veneer.
 
I'm sure there are plenty of older people or folks scared of technology that do pay. It's not that you can't get around it, it's the fact that a company would even make a product in that manner. I'm an IT guy, I would definitely DIY it but then again, I would never buy a product with an Apple logo. Definitely a more stable platform but the reason for that is that they own the hardware and platform and code for a specific piece of hardware (that costs 4 - 5 times what a normal PC with the same specs would cost) so they have a fixed target they code for. Going the PC route means less stability but that's the cost of freedom when you're allowing any third party to make hardware for your platform and allowing capitalism, you have to code for every eventuality and hope that the vendors that build for your platform follow the proper specs and guidelines. I'd rather have the freedom to tinker and not get a closed box system. It's not that you can't get around it, it's the fact that a company would even make a product in that manner.

I am excited to get my Ohms back now, thanks for all the feedback all, I will chime in when I get it back with my experience!
 
I've been an Apple user since the early 1980's, when few had heard of them. They have become increasingly protective of their technology, are more litigious and are making it more and more difficult to do simple things like changing dvd drives or make ram upgrades. I've heard through the grapevine that Apple will soon be soldering in their ram, making upgrades impossible for the average consumer. They're starting to act like Bose, who as we all know is the current bully on the block.

Sorry for the digressions.
 
sealy said:
I've been an Apple user since the early 1980's, when few had heard of them. They have become increasingly protective of their technology, are more litigious and are making it more and more difficult to do simple things like changing dvd drives or make ram upgrades. I've heard through the grapevine that Apple will soon be soldering in their ram, making upgrades impossible for the average consumer. They're starting to act like Bose, who as we all know is the current bully on the block.

Sorry for the digressions.
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A really cool thing to do is get one of the older "Classic" iPods. You can have Digiexpress install a 240 gig HD, and a new battery then load the RockBox OS then you have a iPod with a dual boot system that will play FLAC, OGG Vorbis, and sync with Winamp.
 
Sealy that rumor is true, the new macbooks have soldered in ram, **** I haven't seen since the bad old Packard Bell days. Worse they just won a bunch of litigation against samsung. They have truly become a horrific and evil company, the true bully of the block. Yet their marketing department has fooled all the hipsters into thinking they are nonconformists and supporting the little man when they buy an apple product when in actuality they are buying a gentrified status symbol. Very disappointing. They must have hired Goebbels in their marketing department.

As for Rockbox I ran it a few years ago except my platform of choice was some form of Sansa that had expandable SDHC capabilities, definitely a nice piece of software and great that you can take a walled garden like an IPOD and forcibly transform it into something open.

Yes, I am bitter. Why? I have some dealings with apple on a professional level and their internal culture definitely reflects the arrogance you see on a macro level with their lawsuits, etc. I.e. they expect you to jump when they say jump and have meetings in the middle of the night but if you need them to do something from their end and it's 4:31pm everybody will drop what they are doing and go home. Sorry for the rant but for me they are a daily personal pain to deal with.
 
Their stock is sky high and they won their case that somehow presenting icons in a grid format is an apple proprietary concept. They're going to trademark every common computing concept to where innovation and new products are going to be near non-existent for fear of being stomped on by the 500 lb gorilla of litigation. Amazing that their groundbreaking orwellian concept baced commercial showing a draconian life without freedom will come to fruition under their guidance. I remember when the palm pre first came out it had the ability to buy music from itunes and even though apple was making money and had an off-platform market of individuals who could purchase music through a non-apple product they engaged in a war of attrition that caused both apple and palm users to suffer. Every day apple would come up with an iphone update and itunes update breaking compatibility to keep palm users from accessing itunes. Later that day palm would counter with an update restoring access and on and on it went, both platform users suffering as they had to update daily to retain the privilege of giving apple their money. But bottom line it just burned apples ass that any human would dare to use a platform other than theirs. This mentality continues on in all of their products and attitude, it's a disappointing situation where a company that stood for individuality and non-conformism became one that personifies draconian thought. Also a company that didn't give a dollar to charity for nearly a decade at the hands of Steve Jobs despite stellar profits in his twilight. Only after his death did apple renig on their policy and give something back to the nation that fed their corporate coffers. Read Steve Job's posthumous biography and get a taste of the morality of the man the legend.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/03/apple-charity-donation_n_1253185.html
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/08/29/the-mystery-of-steve-jobss-public-giving/
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2011/09/the-post-jobs-era-tim-cook-brings-philanthropy-back-to-apple/

The saddest part of this whole post is that in the back of my mind I feel a palpable sensation of dread that by merely saying what I'm saying AK will be contacted by a lawyer representing Apple and will be asked to reveal my identity after which I will be the target of litigation since that is their current way of dealing with adversity, innovation, and criticism. Very disappointing.
 
mccarty350 said:
So how do you guys feel the sound cylinders compare to Ohm 2's? Anyone heard both?
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I have both SCSs and Walsh 2s (and have also owned 1,3,& 4s). I've never listened to the SCTs. All of the Walsh speakers have a very similar voice, the differences are mostly in volume, and bass capability - also, depending on vintage, and price, they do vary in tweeter quality... the more expensive models do sound a bit "sweeter" at the top. The SCSs sound almost identical to the Walsh 1s... not surprising, as I think they were meant to replace them. The SCTs are supposed to be very close to the Walsh 3s in output, so I'd guess they're capable of a bit more volume than the Walsh 2s, and should be able to go a bit lower as well. I think the SCTs (like the Walsh 3s) had bass rated down to the mid, to high 30s, while the 2s rolled off around 45htz IIRC.
 
It would be a good project to see if one could build a "Walsh" speaker by getting a cardboard tube from a home improvement store and using a woofer, tweeter and crossover from a conventional 2-way box. It shouldn't be too difficult cutting the tube to the correct size to match the original enclosure volume, then insulating the top of the inverted woofer the way Ohm does and putting a piece of cardboard around the rear of the tweeter to limit dispersion. The results might be surprising. Before you know it, we might all be building "Walsh" speakers.

I've even thought about using conventional cabinets, putting them on their backs and inverting the woofer in it's original mounting hole. The tweeter hole could be plugged with mdf. The crossover could be left in place with wires extended to the drivers. The tweeter could then be hot-glued on top of the woofer magnet and the woofer frame insulated All that would left to do would be to build some kind of can to hide the drivers and voila, a "Walsh" radiator. I might even have the perfect candidate to do the experiment, my Boston A100's.
 
This sounds alike an awesome experiment, would love to hear the results! What about the concept that the Ohm speakers are 'energized' and don't produce sound via excursion or am I misinterpreting?

I have a line on some Walsh 2's right now but it sounds like it may not be a step up over my SCT's. May not be worth getting them.
 
sealy said:
It would be a good project to see if one could build a "Walsh" speaker by getting a cardboard tube from a home improvement store and using a woofer, tweeter and crossover from a conventional 2-way box.
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mccarty350 said:
This sounds alike an awesome experiment, would love to hear the results!
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AK member "Mamboni" did this years ago using some drivers from Parts Express and some sonotube. He claimed the results were pretty awesome.

Mentioned in this thread, post #37: http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=177075&page=3

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mccarty350 said:
This sounds alike an awesome experiment, would love to hear the results! What about the concept that the Ohm speakers are 'energized' and don't produce sound via excursion or am I misinterpreting?

I have a line on some Walsh 2's right now but it sounds like it may not be a step up over my SCT's. May not be worth getting them.
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That was partially true of the original Walsh drivers. The aluminium mids and titanium tweeters of the F driver worked that way. However, the woofer section did have some excursion similar to a conventional woofer, although the voice-coil was thin in comparison to most conventional woofers.
 
That link and project sound awesome. I have some nice Trusonic FR60 full range drivers, not sure how much sonotube costs but it sounds like potentially a kick ass project although parts of it might be beyond me.
 
mccarty350 said:
BTW, shipped my damaged can out last week and haven't heard back, we'll see how this goes...
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I've only heard good things about Ohm's service, I'm sure you'll be happy with the results. The whole Walsh line are very good speakers, well worth a proper service. I look forward to your feedback once you get them back.
 
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