Open baffle subwoofer

[nick parkin]

Headfones do not have soundstages.

Sorry bud, I like you, but if you don't understand that and agree, then your facing a credibility crisis trying to recommend headfones to me.

Have you gone and picked up a hand saw and some cheap thin wood panels yet?

Headphones do have a soundstage. And no my boss steve helps me make speaker cabs with his tools when i need it. I just don't have the money for a sheet of baltic birch right now, or the 15" woofers

 

[ev13wt]

Headphones do have a soundstage. And no my boss steve helps me make speaker cabs with his tools when i need it. I just don't have the money for a sheet of baltic birch right now, or the 15" woofers

Prototype. There is a reason why that word was invented. It used to be "we should have built a darn mockup thingy out of cheap materials we are such dorks now we wasted all this money on virtual baltic birch!

You and your baltic beach. You don't want to experiment and learn, just talk.

There are no shortcuts.

Headfones have through the head left to right panning. Sometimes this is without the room (in ears, closed back) and sometimes with (open back) it.

Open back helps with the impression of spaciousness by letting you hear the room you are in. Stick your head into a closet full of hanging clothes and see what happens to their sound.

I am also not refering to hrtf or other things of that nature.

 

[nick parkin]

Headfones do not have soundstages.

Sorry bud, I like you, but if you don't understand that and agree, then your facing a credibility crisis trying to recommend headfones to me.

Have you gone and picked up a hand saw and some cheap thin wood panels yet?

And I don't think you understand.

I am a full time college student, who works 30 hours a week.

I make $700 a month, pay $620/month for college, $100 a month for insurance, and $100 for gas.

The only way I'm able to pay the difference that I otherwise would not be able to afford is because I had some money from my High school graduation party. I have no time, or money. Im luck if I get to listen to my speakers 3 times a week.

I will have no time, or money for the next 2 months. After that I can buy some wood and tools.

After I finish my guitar build of course.

Until late october I will be barley scraping by. and any spare money is saved in case of any unforeseen expenses.

 

[nick parkin]

Prototype. There is a reason why that word was invented. It used to be "we should have built a darn mockup thingy out of cheap materials we are such dorks now we wasted all this money on virtual baltic birch!

You and your baltic beach. You don't want to experiment and learn, just talk.

There are no shortcuts.

Headfones have through the head left to right panning. Sometimes this is without the room (in ears, closed back) and sometimes with (open back) it.

Open back helps with the impression of spaciousness by letting you hear the room you are in. Stick your head into a closet full of hanging clothes and see what happens to their sound.

I am also not refering to hrtf or other things of that nature.

I experiment with baltic birch because its pretty cheap in the Quantity i buy it in. I can buy 4 2x4 foot sheets for $100, or spend $50 and buy a 4 foot X 8 foot sheet, and have them cut it into four 2x4 foot sheets for half the cost.

 

[ev13wt]

I'm talking about your other thread. Wood, saw. Hop to it.


Have you tried listening to headfones while using a subwoofer? Epic.

 

[ev13wt]

I experiment with baltic birch because its pretty cheap in the Quantity i buy it in. I can buy 4 2x4 foot sheets for $100, or spend $50 and buy a 4 foot X 8 foot sheet, and have them cut it into four 2x4 foot sheets for half the cost.

You keep telling yourself that whatever you think you will do some day in the future you will actually do.

Saw: 3 bucks. Grab box. Home depot.
Wood scrap free.
Buy cheapest wood or similar material: 9 bucks.

So for 12 bucks you can build some darn baffles for your internet sensation drivers, so the whole thing doesn't sound like ass or a$$ later and you finally learn something.

 

[ev13wt]

Excuses. Ideas. Respectable. Honorable.

Will not get **** done ever.
No. Never.
Don't "but" me.
You have the keys.
Drive yourself to where you want to go.
Or stay in the driveway.
You will get old in any case.

 

[cubdog]

I've been following the exploits of our young Mr. Parkin off and on of late. I, for one admire his enthusiasm. Granted at times this enthusiasm may cloud some of his reasoning but so what? I can't understand some of the rather rude comments thrown his way. Give the kid a break. I remember being a young college student full of grand ideas, convinced I was on the right track to solving every problem that presented itself. I was also dead broke most times. Just a part of being a student. So cut Nick some slack. Help him learn instead of chastising him for his naïve mistakes. Part of what, in the past anyway, made AK a cut above other audio forums was that everyone was welcomed to their own ideas. Reading some of Nicks threads make me wonder what has happened around here.

 

[nick parkin]

You keep telling yourself that whatever you think you will do some day in the future you will actually do.

Saw: 3 bucks. Grab box. Home depot.
Wood scrap free.
Buy cheapest wood or similar material: 9 bucks.

So for 12 bucks you can build some darn baffles for your internet sensation drivers, so the whole thing doesn't sound like ass or a$$ later and you finally learn something.

Try cutting a circle with a saw for the speaker and let me know how that goes,

Also most saws are pretty wide, so try cutting a little 2.5" hole for the tweeter too.

Or you can spend the money for a router-the right way-and If I was gonna buy a router Id just save up and buy a nice one instead of buying a cheap one. If I EVER buy tools Id rather buy one that will last me a long time. If I buy a cheap one, then I'm just gonna end up buying a nicer

Lets be realistic if you buy a router you can cut the circles and use a guide to cut straight lines with a flush trim bit.

Router around $200 for a good one
Flush trim but $30
$230 > $12


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[nick parkin]

I've been following the exploits of our young Mr. Parkin off and on of late. I, for one admire his enthusiasm. Granted at times this enthusiasm may cloud some of his reasoning but so what? I can't understand some of the rather rude comments thrown his way. Give the kid a break. I remember being a young college student full of grand ideas, convinced I was on the right track to solving every problem that presented itself. I was also dead broke most times. Just a part of being a student. So cut Nick some slack. Help him learn instead of chastising him for his naïve mistakes. Part of what, in the past anyway, made AK a cut above other audio forums was that everyone was welcomed to their own ideas. Reading some of Nicks threads make me wonder what has happened around here.

Thanks for the Constructive Criticism.

Im a big fan about understanding why people act the way they do, and the reason for my defensive behavior, even though I know I'm wrong sometimes, is because when someone criticizes you the way some people did in this thread, they essentially back you into a mental corner, against the ropes so to speak, and when you attack somebody like that, even if they are wrong, they will defend themselves.

"you're stupid, your ideas suck" and so on...."

Doing things like this will force the other person to defend themselves, no matter what because they fell like they are being attacked, and even though I know that this happens I fall victim to it subconsciously.

Not to mention that the Ad Homonym approach to an argument is the lowest form of argument.

 

[nick parkin]

Excuses. Ideas. Respectable. Honorable.

Will not get **** done ever.
No. Never.
Don't "but" me.
You have the keys.
Drive yourself to where you want to go.
Or stay in the driveway.
You will get old in any case.

Drive myself to home depot to spend money that I shouldn't be spending?

I have real life to take care of. Namely more important bills and such. Spending a few dollars here and there adds up.

Its not that I don't want to spend the money, its that Im prioritizing. My speakers can wait. My college bills and gas can't.

 

[nick parkin]

I've been following the exploits of our young Mr. Parkin off and on of late. I, for one admire his enthusiasm. Granted at times this enthusiasm may cloud some of his reasoning but so what? I can't understand some of the rather rude comments thrown his way. Give the kid a break. I remember being a young college student full of grand ideas, convinced I was on the right track to solving every problem that presented itself. I was also dead broke most times. Just a part of being a student. So cut Nick some slack. Help him learn instead of chastising him for his naïve mistakes. Part of what, in the past anyway, made AK a cut above other audio forums was that everyone was welcomed to their own ideas. Reading some of Nicks threads make me wonder what has happened around here.

Other than that, what can you do but shrug them off. They haven't listened to these speakers and they claim that the "Hype" is false without ever hearing them. There really isn't any hype anyway. Hardly anyone knows about these. Speakers. My mottos has always included the phrase "don't knock it until you've tried it"

 

[JoeESP9]

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[nick parkin]

Wouldn't headphones just have a much closer soundstage than speakers?
If I'm wrong them oh well

 

[JoeESP9]

Headfones do not have soundstages.

Sorry bud, I like you, but if you don't understand that and agree, then your facing a credibility crisis trying to recommend headfones to me.

Have you gone and picked up a hand saw and some cheap thin wood panels yet?

Headphones do have a soundstage. And no my boss steve helps me make speaker cabs with his tools when i need it. I just don't have the money for a sheet of baltic birch right now, or the 15" woofers

Headphones do not have a soundstage. Unless you and I have a totally different idea as to what constitutes a soundstage. With the exception of binaural recordings they can't produce one.

A soundstage is the aural impression of musicians performing in a real space "over there" where your speakers used to be. No headphones I've ever heard in 51+ years in this hobby can do this. In fact, many speaker systems don't do a very good job of producing one. Binaural recordings are excepted.

 

[nick parkin]

Headphones do not have a soundstage. Unless you and I have a totally different idea as to what constitutes a soundstage. With the exception of binaural recordings they can't produce one.

A soundstage is the aural impression of musicians performing in a real space "over there" where your speakers used to be. No headphones I've ever heard in 51+ years in this hobby can do this. In fact, many speaker systems don't do a very good job of producing one. Binaural recordings are excepted.

Ahh ok, Lots of reviews on headphones use that term.

Wouldn't headphones just have a much closer soundstage, like having your speakers right infant of your ears?

It makes sense though. Speakers have a soundstage since they are quite literally "over there" whereas headphones are right next to your ears.

 

[JoeESP9]

The best headphones produce what I call a "headstage". It's not a soundstage but it is airier and more spacious than the typical headphone effect of sound through the middle of your head from one ear to the other.

If you want to hear a soundstage through headphones there are only two options. The first is to listen to binaural recordings. The second is to acquire a Smyth Realizer (or equivalent) and process the signal to the headphones through it.

 

[StimpyWan]

Headfones do not have soundstages.

Sorry bud, I like you, but if you don't understand that and agree, then your facing a credibility crisis trying to recommend headfones to me.

Well, I guess you'll have to check with Sennheiser, concerning their headphones, and their ability to (re)create a sound stage. To quote:

"With their special internal Surround Reflector, the HD 558 open, circumaural headphones are able to generate an extended spatial sound field, making them ideal for listening to music and also for use in your preferred home cinema set up."

Also, there's a "Surround reflector for extended spatial sound field."

As to "facing a credibility crisis", I guess I can handle it, as I believe in what I hear, and not what someone tells me I should or shouldn't be able to hear. Your opinion matters to you, and mine to me, and never the twain shall meet. Something else that I can handle, and not loose sleep over. Thanks for playing along!

Have you gone and picked up a hand saw and some cheap thin wood panels yet?

I 'guess' this is directed at the OP? Not sure why it's mentioned in a response to me?

 

[JoeESP9]

"Extended spatial sound field" sounds like advertising speak to me. I'm willing to give those Senn's a listen. As for now I'll stick with what I posted.

I've gotten used to hearing a soundstage. It started in 1976 when I bought my first pair of planars (Magnepan MG-1's).

 

[StimpyWan]

"Extended spatial sound field" sounds like advertising speak to me. I'm willing to give those Senn's a listen. As for now I'll stick with what I posted.

The refurb pair I purchase are cheap enough to try. If you don't like 'em, you should be easy to sell them and not loose money...!