Open baffle subwoofer
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faber12
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I have a pair of headphones, cheap, ugly, made in China, and they sound great.
Don't get much from that, do you? There is no basis for comparison.
Now, what if I tell you that I went to a high end audio shop (McIntosh etc) and listened to a pair of $200 headphones and they did not sound any better than my $20 pair. Better made, may last longer, but 10x the price.
Again, what if I tell you that these cheap headphones made me question why I have a room and tons of equipment dedicated to listening to music when I can get a comparable sound for $20? These things are ridiculous for the price.
If you want an inexpensive way to know what good audio sounds like, get a pair of these, if you can find a promo code or 2, they get even cheaper.
http://www.mcmelectronics.com/produ...cci5DrE16Jz7pfLqy8rjbP38-Jg_osGBoCro8QAvD_BwE
Don't get much from that, do you? There is no basis for comparison.
Now, what if I tell you that I went to a high end audio shop (McIntosh etc) and listened to a pair of $200 headphones and they did not sound any better than my $20 pair. Better made, may last longer, but 10x the price.
Again, what if I tell you that these cheap headphones made me question why I have a room and tons of equipment dedicated to listening to music when I can get a comparable sound for $20? These things are ridiculous for the price.
If you want an inexpensive way to know what good audio sounds like, get a pair of these, if you can find a promo code or 2, they get even cheaper.
http://www.mcmelectronics.com/produ...cci5DrE16Jz7pfLqy8rjbP38-Jg_osGBoCro8QAvD_BwE
bhunter
The Spherical Cow
Linkwitz has a lot of excellent information on his site. The OB woofers in the LX521 is an awesome implementation using dual Seas L26RO4Y drivers.
https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.c...eas-l26ro4y-10-subwoofer-4-layer-vc-d1004-04/
darkblue94
The Devil made me do it.
Yes I agree. By the way "un-subjective criteria" is incorrect terminology, the correct term is "objective criteria."
darkblue94
The Devil made me do it.
No, timber is what you make the baffle and frame out of.
JoeESP9
ESL's & tubes since 83
tim·bre
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noun
noun: timbre; plural noun: timbres
ˈtambər/
noun
noun: timbre; plural noun: timbres
- the character or quality of a musical sound or voice as distinct from its pitch and intensity.
"trumpet mutes with different timbres"
synonyms: tone, sound, sound quality, voice, voice quality, color, tone color, tonality, resonance
"the timbre of the reeds"
nick parkin
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No can't actually because I don't have wood panels laying around.You can't produce random wood panels and screws?
Do you need a screwdriver too?
Even if i did I wouldn't have the tools to cut it to size. And theres no point to making a design out of scrap wood if I'm just gonna spend more time making a better design later.
darkblue94
The Devil made me do it.
Actually there's a very valid reason to make the initial designs out of scrap wood, to work out the bugs until you come up with the best design prototype, then you put your efforts into making it pretty. It's called modeling, some folks use cardboard for the mock up, then switch to the final materials.
nick parkin
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Yeah but I usually pick a design that is proven to work. A large flat baffle and radiuses edges is sure to work. My last speaker design I just made a nice cabinet with the correct volume, and CNC'd the cutouts. If I was trying to do something that has not been done nor proven then I would definitely do a mock up out of cheaper material. Thats what I did before I started CNC'ing a mahogany slab for my guitar I was making. I made sure everything was good and cut a test piece first to make sure the dimensions were good.
Anywho Im gonna make a baffle the same size as the one that my friend erwin is using for the same speaker I'm using. I know it sounds good, and theres no use in reinventing the wheel.
darkblue94
The Devil made me do it.
Are you going to use the same woofer that Erwin is using? If so, then by all means just copy his exact design to a tee.
nick parkin
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No I can not. They don't make them anymore, however they said the eminence alpha are great. The woofers he has cost $350 each I think. Very pricey. The eminence alphas have been used time and time again in open baffle and people love em so how could I go wrong.
nick parkin
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I got the Bang and Olufsen H6 Get 2. Im definitely gonna buy the headphones you showed me because now you got me curious. Ive used the B and O's as my reference for any headphones and they just sound fabulous, and look fabulous as well.
Im curious about the ones you linked to me now. Once I pay off my college fees (my last payment is in october) I'm gonna go nuts on audio and Ill definitely buy those!
JoeESP9
ESL's & tubes since 83
I strongly suggest you actually sample some headphones before spending your money.
FWIW: I'm a headphone cheapskate. I have Grado SR-60's, HiFi Man HE-350's and Monolith M-560's. Currently I'm driving them with a Little Dot MkII which is an OTL tube headphone amp.
FWIW: I'm a headphone cheapskate. I have Grado SR-60's, HiFi Man HE-350's and Monolith M-560's. Currently I'm driving them with a Little Dot MkII which is an OTL tube headphone amp.
nick parkin
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Well I would Highly recommend the B and O h6. They sound just fantastic. How do I know ev13wt may ask? because they just do. and everyone loves them. They are pricey, but are very comfy and made of high quality materials and everyone who owns them loves them. Some people even think they sound the best regardless of price. They are definitely worth a listen.
ev13wt
Super Member
I feel they are a bit too bright for my tastes, to many weird peaks around 1.2KHz and 7-8ish KHz and a bit too boomy (other call that soundstage maybe?) and lacking in the bass as well. Some love it, I don't like it very much. The Senny Momentum has it beat hands down and is cheaper as well. I had considered that one but sent it back. In the Beyer camp again now, eqing Beyer peaks
Impedance curve is great though, at least they don't need an amp.
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StimpyWan
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Yea, I'm the same way. I like the bang for the buck cans, like the Grado's too. Plus, I just picked up a warrantied refurb pair of Sennheiser HD 558's for $59.99 (on the 'Bay - none mine). Awesome headphones. Very relaxed and warm, with excellent sound staging. I bought them for work, but their open back design lets a little too much background noise in. So, a cheap pair of Monoprice 8323's are on the way, for the next test. Hope they are decent?
nick parkin
Well-Known Member
Are you talking about the first generation? Those do have problems in the midrange.the second generation do not have midrange problems, and have a little more bass too!
StimpyWan
Addicted Member
I'm not sure? The phones were listed strictly as "HD558's". No mention of V1 or V2.
nick parkin
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not so fast ev13wt. Did you try the first gen or the second gen H6 headphones. The first gen definitely have some issues with the midrange, the second generation have smoother mids, and a little more bass. It makes it great for any type of music. If you have not heard the H6 gen 2 then put it on your bucket list, they sound fantastic!I feel they are a bit too bright for my tastes, to many weird peaks around 1.2KHz and 7-8ish KHz and a bit too boomy (other call that soundstage maybe?) and lacking in the bass as well. Some love it, I don't like it very much. The Senny Momentum has it beat hands down and is cheaper as well. I had considered that one but sent it back. In the Beyer camp again now, eqing Beyer peaks
Impedance curve is great though, at least they don't need an amp.
ev13wt
Super Member
Headfones do not have soundstages.
Sorry bud, I like you, but if you don't understand that and agree, then your facing a credibility crisis trying to recommend headfones to me.
Have you gone and picked up a hand saw and some cheap thin wood panels yet?
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