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Phono pre new, used, kit best bang for the buck?

Although I haven't heard most popular phono preamps, of the half-dozen or so that I went through trying to beat a Hafler DH-110 (phono stage only - through the tape outputs), none could.

The most expensive of the competitors was a Sutherland Ph3D, at $1000 retail and well regarded. It came closest to the tonal balance of the Hafler's phono stage, but lost out on dynamics. It just seemed relatively flat and lifeless in comparison.

The Jolida JD-9 was definitely interesting, lively and pleasant, but seemed somewhat colored in comparison, and dropped from contention due to intermittent noise issues in my sample. My NAD 3020's phono section sounded very similar to the Hafler's in tonal character, just slightly veiled in comparison.

A Yaqin MB-22B provided astonishing amounts of (whaddya know?) bass SLAM!, but hashed-up the highs as well, to my ears, although my friend loves it in his home theatre setup.

An Apt-Holman may well have beaten the Hafler, but its phono section failed, and I didn't like the sound of the repair with different parts, so never got a chance to go back and compare just the phono stages. And Apt-Holmans are harder to come by and apt(!) to need repair...

I'll go out on a limb now (!) and pronounce the Hafler DH-110 phono stage a "Reference Component" - not in the sense of "best in my acquaintance", but in the sense of a $150 experiment to see if your phono stage can be significantly improved for less than $1000...

I'll go further out on a limb and say that a decent SUT (step-up transformer) will beat out most MC stages in this price range, and may also have resulted in some unfairness in the above comparisons due to un-tried MM combinations.

All comparisons were with a Denon DL-103 moving coil cartridge, with MM comparisons using a Denon AU-300 (~$250) SUT.

Has anyone else thoroughly vetted another cheap reference candidate? I'm talking budget phono preamps here...
 
Just curious, its not in the near future but were we talking phenomena II or the Nova ? I ordered a kit for a bugle 2 . We'll see how it goes. It wasn't in the test. Pretty cheap and I've heard decent things about it. Thanks for all the info replies and all the work that went into the testing.
 
hey NJ, that clearaudio nano mentioned above is a real bargain. it does mm AND mc and has had good reviews in the press for some time now. were i in the market, it would be on my short list. i am well equipped in the phono area so i don't need a change or upgrade.

keep your eye out for a used one and you won't be sorry you did.
 
I am sorry if I upset anyone but Hypnotoad AD797 beats Phonomena hands down http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=501186 .One of my friend was using Phonomena and recently built HTMC AD797 and Pass Pearl2,both the DIY sound better than Phonomena.
That doesn't mean Phonomena is not good.Its great but there are better options available,especially if someone can DIY.

Regards,
Sachin
 
I am sorry if I upset anyone but Hypnotoad AD797 beats Phonomena hands down http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=501186 .One of my friend was using Phonomena and recently built HTMC AD797 and Pass Pearl2,both the DIY sound better than Phonomena.
That doesn't mean Phonomena is not good.Its great but there are better options available,especially if someone can DIY.

Regards,
Sachin

I have not seen any tests of these DIYs. From the Phonomena and several others a lot of files have been uploaded with reasonble good quality for comparing. And also blind testing.
It is of course interesting objectively comparing these three also if someone can do it.
gusten
 
I have to say , while I don't think they are valueless, I'm always somewhat skeptical to needle drop posts only because whatever comes out of the test is digitized then decoded on my end then through my computer, DAC, per., Amp and speakers. There are so many things happening to sample before it gets to my ears that results have to be regarded as skewed (maybe less than accurate let's say). Sort of like watching an HD video of your HD TV on my TV.
 
I don´t think we can consider needledrops to be totally accurate. But the accuracy of subjective reviews must be far, far less. Not in the same ballpark IME.
Good needledrops is IME by far the best we can do. I am seeing that more and more of these types of recordings are being used on different sites to compare components, that is really a progess, something I have been advocating for years.
gusten
 
Here's a question for everyone in this thread. I'm currently using the phono stage on my (restored) Marantz 2235b, but I'm looking for a new phono preamp that offers a quieter noise floor, cleaner sound, sharper bass, etc.

First, how do you think the Marantz 22xx phono stages compare to newer units Second, what would you suggest from the budget lineup: CA 551/651P, Rega Fono Mini A2P, Pro-Ject Phono Box S, Musical Fidelity V90-LPS, (insert your favorite here).

I've previously owned the Pro-Ject Tube Box II, MF V-LPS, and Rega Fono Mini. Really enjoyed the Rega, very muscular and punchy. I also really loved the Tube Box, but its sound may have been too "warm" for the Marantz stereo. I'm currently leaning towards the Phono Box S, thanks to its variable loading. I strongly suspect my Denon DL-110 would benefit from this feature. I do wish I could use the Bellari VP-130, but its 30db boost is too small for the Denon cart (2.2mV).

What do you suggest? Should I stick with the Marantz phono stage, or should I buy something from Needle Doctor?
 
I'm just asking here to save space, since there are already a million "recommend a phono stage" threads. And having read the previous posts on this thread, it seemed like the right place to ask. I've got a Marantz stereo that sounds good, but I'm looking for something better. Perhaps there's a budget phono preamp I could pick up? Perhaps I need a kit and build something?
 
I'm going to build the CNC MM and a Hageman Bugle 2. I don't know what the final price for the CNC ends up being but of its nearly as good as its copy, it should be a player on your choices. The art DJ II for little coin seems to be a giant slayer. Its like most other things here, its your ears and your wallet. From what I've been reading , you get a lot of bang for the buck. Read, listen, repeat. I'll bet you find something that makes you happy. I'd like to point out these threads have been amazingly civil. Thanks guys
 
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