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Pilot SA-232 - Electrolytic Capacitors and Heat

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Pilot SA-232 – Electrolytic Capacitors and Heat

A couple of weeks ago, I was in the barn doing some cleaning and found my Pilot SA-232 stereo power amplifier, where it had been sitting for the last thirty plus years. I decided to pull it out of storage and see if I could get it to play music again. The two videos posted on youtube by blueglowelectronics on YouTube also inspired me to take on this project.

Based on my memory, I knew these units run HOT. I remembered that, years ago, I had replaced some of the electrolytic capacitors. This time around, I decided to replace all the electrolytic capacitors with ones rated at 105˚c.

For the replacement of 24-124 (first and second B+ capacitors), I used an adapt-a-cap board fitted with United Cemi-Con EPAG451ELL470MK40S 47µF @ 450V, 105˚c capacitors.
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The 24—172 (B+ filter capacitors in the audio amplifier and phase inverter stage) are buried inside the chassis where the heat builds up and cooks them as the amplifier is played. I added a tag strip and mounted two modern 105˚c capacitors.
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Cathode bypass capacitor(s) 24-170, were replaced with Nichicon UPS1V101MPD1TD, 100µF, 35V, 105˚c units.
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In addition to adding heat resilient capacitors, I relocated the 31-160, 100Ω, 10W, power supply resistor that used to reside just under the 24-124 capacitor(s). I remounted the resistor on a tag strip, away from the heat sensitive electrolytic capacitors.
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Now I am burning in the amplifier with the new components and measuring the heat within the chassis. After an hour and a half, the internal temperature is reading 57.1˚c (135F) at the location just under the 24-124 capacitors. Earlier measurements, on the top side of the chassis, varied by location and read between about 40˚c and 55˚c without the tube cage installed. With the tube cage installed, the temperatures increased about 10˚c. All measurements are with the input AC voltage at 117V. I would expect that the temperatures would rise as the line voltage is increased to a more modern level.

Based on my temperature measurements, it would seem prudent to run the amplifier without the tube cage and or run a low speed fan to cool things down.
 
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There is a big hot resistor in the SA-260 as well. I used a chassis mount, the original was crumbled to dust when I got the amp and everything around it was obviously heat damaged. Screwed to the chassis it barely gets warm now.
 
In normal operation the resistor dissipates about 3.5 Watts which would not be too much of a problem, however; in the original location is was just below the filter capacitor. Heat rises. The capacitor gets cooked.

The chassis has no ventilation holes so over time it gets hotter and hotter. Ouch!
 
I don't know what it dissipates on the 260, but it sits right below the power transformer and next to the bias supply. The trafo leads are pretty toasty now, and I don't see how it did anything useful for the bias caps either. Seems Pilot wasn't so big on oversize chassis either way, the 232 and the 260 are both pretty tightly packed into the space they have available.
 
would agree with @gadget73 , all the Pilots I have had run pretty toasty. the chassis mount power resistor may help, but may require drilling a mounting hole in the chassis to hold in place. At one time had the 260, the 264 and 232. All ran pretty warm.
As did the similar sized Fisher amps, the SA-100 etc.
 
I realize a lot of tube amplifiers do not have ventilation holes on the bottom cover/plates, but some do.

The Pilot amp has no ventilation holes on the bottom cover. And when attached to the chassis, the cover plate seals it up like a casket.
I wonder if using a perforated metal or aluminum bottom cover would help with heat issues...of course heat goes up, so it may not matter much.
 
Some Pilot SA-232 temperature data. A temperature sensor was placed inside the Pilot amplifier near, but not touching, the bottom cover. The plot shows the internal temperature VS time from a cold start to two and a half hours later.

Pilot SA-232 Temp VS Time.jpg
 
Just a thought. The amp calls for a 2A SB fuse, and you have the CL-80 thermistor mounted directly to the fuseholder. These fuses have two interrupt modes; a fast blow high-overload element, and a slow blow thermally delayed element. I'm thinking that the heat of the thermistor may heat up the fuse and cause nuisance failures. Don't know what the heat limit is for a SB fuse, but a CL-80 will give you a good burn:)
 
Cool as a cucumber.

Max bulb temp on most tubes is 220c
That's freaking hot.
60 celcius is about 150 degrees.
Seems about normal for a tube am after an hour of listening. Dont let it worry you.
 
Thats inside the chassis if I understand right. Bit toasty for down below, but not the end of the world. Just wants caps that are rated for some temperature.
Yes, that is the inside of the chassis. My concern is the effect of the heat on the electrolytic capacitors in particular and all the other components in general.

It would be nice to have a fan or something, to move that 60ºC off the components. Up and off the chassis.
Yes, I quite agree that a fan would be a good idea. I have a three speed standing fan. I set it up about six feet away from the amp running at it's slowest speed, a soft gentle breeze. It cooled the amp down about 15ºc.

so we're talking about 2 degrees of difference cage on vs cage off? Seems pretty insignificant to me.
Yes, in that location, inside the chassis, the temperature difference is not that much different. Earlier, I measured on the top of the chassis and the temperature difference was closer to 10ºc.

The SA-232 was sold in more than one version. It seems that the ones designed for console use did not have a tube cage. The stand alone version did have the cage. From what I have seen, looking at pictures online, the console versions do not seem to have nearly as much heat damage. Often the caged versions look like they suffered from heat. i.e. they have a charred appearance.
 
Yes, that is the inside of the chassis. My concern is the effect of the heat on the electrolytic capacitors in particular and all the other components in general.

Yes, I quite agree that a fan would be a good idea. I have a three speed standing fan. I set it up about six feet away from the amp running at it's slowest speed, a soft gentle breeze. It cooled the amp down about 15ºc.

Yes, in that location, inside the chassis, the temperature difference is not that much different. Earlier, I measured on the top of the chassis and the temperature difference was closer to 10ºc.

The SA-232 was sold in more than one version. It seems that the ones designed for console use did not have a tube cage. The stand alone version did have the cage. From what I have seen, looking at pictures online, the console versions do not seem to have nearly as much heat damage. Often the caged versions look like they suffered from heat. i.e. they have a charred appearance.

Weren't a lot of the console mounts vertical too? I know my 232 was mounted vertically in my Pilot console.
No cage and I can't remember if it had a bottom...
 
Weren't a lot of the console mounts vertical too? I know my 232 was mounted vertically in my Pilot console.
Based on your comment, some amplifiers were mounted vertically. I do not know if that was common or not. There must be a Pilot expert out there somewhere that would know the answer. Hopefully others will chime in with their experience.
 
Judging by the amount of melted wax piled up on one side of the amplifier, I would take a big guess mine was mounted vertically in a console.
 
Judging by the amount of melted wax piled up on one side of the amplifier, I would take a big guess mine was mounted vertically in a console.
Good input. Did your unit have a tube cage? Did it have 4 ohm output taps as well as the 16 and 8 ohm taps?
 
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