Rare record pricing.

[Andyman]

Because I don't think you considering refunding something YOU mispriced is right.
I just find it ironic.

 

[SoundsAlike]

I never attacked you, look back and you will see, all I said is I would be worried to deal with you if you were willing to back out on an offered deal and that I would be concerned that you "MAY" be willing to stoop to other things to ensure your financial gain, I feel I have good reason to be worried if this is the case at what price point $$ amount does honesty take over or lose out? How dishonest is dishonest?

I never said you have in the past nor will in the future be willing to do the earlier mentioned things only that if someone is willing to not honor their word because it gains them a few shekels profit then I would be concerned about other things also. Wouldnt you? If I offered to sell you something at a set price then failed to follow through would you trust me after this? There is little doubt in my mind if I did this to you, you would feel that I am not a person of my word and be concerned about my level of honesty in other areas as well :yes:


REGARDS SNOW

I call this a personal attack: "Great another one placed on my do not ever buy from or sell to list"

And this, too: "Perhaps you have never heard the term a mans word is his bond? Obviously your word means nothing to you."

And this, too: "If I bought something from you I would be scared you would either leave out pertient information or flat outright lie about it to gain a profit."

Your tone was aggressive and your resolve was severe -- you made unsubstantiated claims while feigning to possess integrity. Ultimately, that's an attack -- You have no basis to claim that I have never heard the phrase "Perhaps you have never heard the term a mans word is his bond? Obviously your word means nothing to you." In addition you have no reason to assume I am trustworthy to buy from and I do not think you are right to broadcast your incoherent judgement (it's "you're") for people to read.

 

[onepixel]

Epic Fail.

Time to close this thread because it's wandered way off from the original post.

 

[beer]

James, congratulations, you got everyone fired up again. I actually think its funny. I know that is or was never your intensions but it sure keeps happening. Everyone have a great weekend and enjoy some music.
Beer

 

[Snow]

I call this a personal attack: "Great another one placed on my do not ever buy from or sell to list"

And this, too: "Perhaps you have never heard the term a mans word is his bond? Obviously your word means nothing to you."

And this, too: "If I bought something from you I would be scared you would either leave out pertient information or flat outright lie about it to gain a profit."

Your tone was aggressive and your resolve was severe -- you made unsubstantiated claims while feigning to possess integrity. Ultimately, that's an attack -- You have no basis to claim that I have never heard the phrase "Perhaps you have never heard the term a mans word is his bond? Obviously your word means nothing to you." In addition you have no reason to assume I am trustworthy to buy from and I do not think you are right to broadcast your incoherent judgement (it's "you're") for people to read.

I have every right the same as you do to refuse to buy or sell from or to anyone for any reason.

Perhaps you missed the ? mark on the end of ("Perhaps you have never heard the term a mans word is his bond? Obviously your word means nothing to you." ) This was not accusing you of anything only bringing up a point. That point was this once you offer something up for sale at a price if you fail to to sell at this price you are not keeping your word.


This now brings to mind just exactly how much should I trust this person? I personally do not want to find out, hence the comment added to my do not buy from or sell to list.


I have every right to voice my opinion of honesty integrity and the like the same way as do you. Not everyone is going to share the same belief structure or degree of ethics but I am have every right to voice mine.


REGARDS SNOW

 

[sheltie dave]

"I think most people in this forum is pretty well-off financially, so i think when you have money you care about intergrity and humanity. Just like class, how do you define class? Class is a by product of wealth."

I define class as someone who exhibits care, concern, and love for others, to the point where they put others ahead of themself. Humility, integrity, and respect also play into class. Wealth does not play any part in what I consider class, because I have seen some of the most giving people in the lowest economic strata.

Class would be recognition that a mistake was made, but either going through with the sale, or explaining to the buyer in hand about your situation, so he could let you off the hook. Class has the capacity of generating class in response, because the majority of buyers actually would be classy and cut you some slack.

There always are three roads you can walk. You can go the moral way, the ethical way, and the business way. Each has its rewards.

 

[2tumsup]

Wow, what a thread.
Honesty, integrity, differences of opinion, positive and negative reactions but nowhere is there a mention of the foundation of this site - Karma.
James, I sympathize with your current financial situation and the dilemma that you are confronted with.
When I find myself in this kind of a situation (albeit somewhat rarely), I ask myself one question. What would I do or how would I react or what would I expect if I was the other person?
Perhaps you could let that be your guiding force and please keep Karma in mind.
I don't like to tell people what they SHOULD do but rather what they COULD do.
First of all, you have no assurance that you could get the $400 that you think is market value.
Having said that, perhaps you COULD contact the purchaser and explain to him that you made a mistake and that you are in a dire financial situation and ask if he would consider letting you opt out of the transaction or possibly meeting you halfway in price say $200.
As mentioned, you do not know what you will ultimately get for the record and if he is sympathetic to your cause and pays you $200, he still gets a deal and you get 10 times what you were asking for and both people should be happy and the Karma stays intact.
Just my very humble opinion

 

[Snow]

Ok -- first, I said you are not right to say I'm a scumbag, and it is not right for you to make posts against me in a thread filled with AK'ers I have or will engage in transaction with...

That does not sound like integrity or honesty to me, that sounds like delusional

I never said you were a scumbag. You are reading far more into this than what was said. I am not going to continue to debate this with you. I have stated that I have not nor am I accusing you of any wrongdoing only that not honoring your word by selling at the stated price scares me and brings into question just exactly how far would you go to protect your profit? and as a result of this I do not want to buy from you or sell to you. The same goes for James I will never buy from or sell to him.


REGARDS SNOW

 

[jameswei]

I am glad that everyone here meets their classy friends at the ghetto!

 

[Raynie]

Start your price for 75% of what you believe is FMV. If you start at .01, you will get fleeced.

Grade your records at whatever you think they are; if something falls between, round down. Use a halogen lamp and grade as you'd want if buying.

I've sold over 500 records in the last year and have never had a complaint about my grading.

 

[jameswei]

start your price for 75% of what you believe is fmv. If you start at .01, you will get fleeced.

Grade your records at whatever you think they are; if something falls between, round down. Use a halogen lamp and grade as you'd want if buying.

I've sold over 500 records in the last year and have never had a complaint about my grading.

this is the type of info that i needed, not all the high o mighty one! Thanks!

 

[sheltie dave]

We make friends from every walk of life and there is no requisite wallet thickness. The most important trait is the content of your character.

 

[JP]

I actually agree with sheltie dave on this one, except that business can be conducted with both morals and ethics.

I do have to ask though; knowing what the ethical thing to do here is, and not knowing anything about James' situation, is there a hardship that transcends ethics?

If you (anyone) were faced with losing your home and displacing your family, or backing out of a sale (explaining your situation to the buyer), what would you choose?

 

[Andyman]

I think most people in this forum is pretty well-off financially, so i think when you have money you care about intergrity and humanity. Just like class, how do you define class? Class is a by product of wealth.
When all you worry about is how to make your next mortgage payment or your next meal, do you really want to put humanity ahead of that? Sorry honey we miss this month's mortgage because i have intergity, or humanity. I think each person speaks differently in different stages of their life. 5 years ago $400.00 doesn't mean a thing to me, its like pocket change. In this stage of my life $400.00 means a lot. I got into records not because i am a collector, but i was told that there's money in it. You all can call me names or whatever you want, but i am going to tell the buyer that i made a mistake on pricing and he is welcome to buy it at a regular price.

James, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

You're flipping stuff to make money and that makes it a business. And as a businessman it's part of YOUR job to make sure your items are priced right, BEFORE you put them out for sale.

Somebody made a mistake here and it was you.
Somebody didn't do their homework, and it was you.
Somebody wants to shirk their responsibility and weasel out of a sale, and that is you.

Your financial issues are your issues, not the buyers, and not pertinent to this issue. If they are so important, the time to address them is BEFORE the sale/offer, not after somebody shows you that you may have undersold an item.

Aside from the backing out of the deal, none of this surprises me, as you have repeatedly come here for advice and information on items you intend to flip, much of which could have been found with a bit of effort and some Google searches. And much of the information you have been given you've ignored.

The business world is a cruel mistress and there's little forgiveness out there. Buying and selling audio gear is no walk in the park and you aren't the only guy doing it. From your recent (mis)adventures, I don't see this being something you'll excel at. You should probably consider this a cheap $380 lesson and move on.

My opinion, and what I would do myself, is you should invoice and send him the record at the price you offered it at, IF after you proceeded like 2tumsup suggests. If the buyer is willing to help you out, that would be great, but don't compound the issue by backing out of a deal after someone has made a purchase offer at your asking price.

BTW, had you pulled the sale BEFORE anyone met your price, that would be a completely different situation, but a sale is a sale, and you should respect that.

But the call is yours and folks will judge you based upon your actions, so make sure you choose wisely.

 

[jameswei]

we make friends from every walk of life and there is no requisite wallet thickness. The most important trait is the content of your character.

if that's how you really feel and act, i would vote for you if you run for office, unfortunately that's not how it is in the real world. Look at our goverment. Tea party wants to ruin it for everyone, and there's nothing anyone can do. Waht a mess. Everyone has their own agenda and its all about social class!

 

[Dswankey]

When all you worry about is how to make your next mortgage payment or your next meal, do you really want to put humanity ahead of that? Sorry honey we miss this month's mortgage because i have intergity, or humanity. I think each person speaks differently in different stages of their life. 5 years ago $400.00 doesn't mean a thing to me, its like pocket change. In this stage of my life $400.00 means a lot. I got into records not because i am a collector, but i was told that there's money in it.

This isn't your first thread trying to determine values nor is it the first time you mentioned that you're solely in it to make money. I have no problem with you trying to make a buck what I would say is that you really need to do your home work, research etc; if you plan on succeeding at this.

If selling records, audio equipment, etc; is what you've decided on to pay the bills then learn everything you can about it. Learn how to grade records, study up on what pressings and labels are most coveted. Just like any profession strive to be the best at what you do and in my humble opinion it's by being educated and prepared.

Google is your friend, learn how to really utilize it and spend the time researching your product. Finally be prepared to win some and lose some. Best of luck!!!

 

[Snow]

I actually agree with sheltie dave on this one, except that business can be conducted with both morals and ethics.

I do have to ask though; knowing what the ethical thing to do here is, and not knowing anything about James' situation, is there a hardship that transcends ethics?

If you (anyone) were faced with losing your home and displacing your family, or backing out of a sale (explaining your situation to the buyer), what would you choose?

No there never has been nor will their ever be a good reason to lose your self respect by lowering your ethics to meet the situation.

James is not and was not not going to lose his house or displace his family because of this $380.00 he was perfectly willing to sell for $19.99 and happy to do so until he found out that the record was under valued and even if this was the case I personally would rather be homeless than without my honor.


REGARDS SNOW

 

[portnoy]

Okay everyone lets take the pot off the burner.... and simmer down. That being said, I think this is a very informative discussion. We can all learn something and take lessons from it.

Some of us hoard stereo equipment and will never let it go till are grubby mitts turn to dust. Same with vinyl records, be it they are 45's or LP's.

I have an album that is priceless. No, I don't mean it's priceless, I mean it's priceless. You know what I mean. There has never been a copy of it sold on ebay or discogs.

So, if I were inclined to sell it, I would probably take the advice of (insert name here) and put it on ebay with a low starting bid, a long auction period and a 3/4 value of what I would hope it is worth price as a reserve. (That is if I were inclined to sell it and inclined to attach my paypal account to something other than my credit card).

I've never sold anything on ebay. Actually I don't think I've ever sold anything....

So my priceless album will stay in my personal collection of roughly 1500 LP's for now....

Cheers,
Wayne

p.s. - Lighten up folks,

 

[Ken Boyd]

if that's how you really feel and act, i would vote for you if you run for office, unfortunately that's not how it is in the real world. Look at our goverment. Tea party wants to ruin it for everyone, and there's nothing anyone can do. Waht a mess. Everyone has their own agenda and its all about social class!

Politics is not allowed here James.

Now Snow what were we discussing the other day?

 

[SoundsAlike]

No there never has been nor will their ever be a good reason to lose your self respect by lowering your ethics to meet the situation.

James is not and was not not going to lose his house or displace his family because of this $380.00 he was perfectly willing to sell for $19.99 and happy to do so until he found out that the record was under valued and even if this was the case I personally would rather be homeless than without my honor.


REGARDS SNOW

Rule #7... 'Crusading' (aggressive proselytizing of anything) (is) not allowed.